Ben Jackson wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 01:52:15PM -0700, Eric Brombaugh wrote: >> 1) A task that requires a lot of smart people to complete must suffer >> from a lack of adequate tools. >> >> 2) A task that can be completed with inadequate tools can't be very complex. > > I don't know that you can decompose my position like that. A task that > requires a lot of smart people to complete would take fewer people if > the tools were better.
. . . . > I would compare the current state of FPGA development tools with my early > 8-bit computer experience. On my Commodore 64 I cared about every memory > location on the system. I wrote anything remotely important by hand in > assembly. Writing Verilog is at the abstraction level of approximately > a macro assembler. At the high end it might reach up into the level of > BASIC. Al's remarks under subject "C++ HDL" are what I think is the reason for this gap in HW design vs SW design ability even after plenty of time. The gist of it is, university education supports proprietary tools in HW and SW design. I would add the way chip design companies rely so much on 3 vendors for all design tools reduces the creative options of engineers so they don't have much chance to evolve tools further -- the secrecy of proprietary tool work flows stops that. The price tags on chip SW are enough to get lawyers involved in any borrowing of licensed tools and call it theft and cut it off. The chip Co's business is chip production flow, so they don't allow such development on their time. The proverbial "cad guy" at a chip company evolves to quit and work for Cadence -- I've seen that with a good one that was developing tools -- they bought him out easily. No chance to do his own little Co. or free publish his stuff. How has SW design gotten farther? Probably it's just that the development of tools is so close to the development of apps for sale is all I can think of. John Griessen -- Ecosensory Austin TX _______________________________________________ geda-user mailing list [email protected] http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
