Thanks for posting this Val. I failed to stress the sarcasm of my "where is the beefcake?" comment. I'm fine without seeing any "sexy gender" on the front page of Wikipedia.
But, there is that fine line argument of art versus sex. Would a Mapplethorpe photograph be acceptable? Hmm... -Sarah On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Valerie Aurora <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm going to point out that posting sexually objectifying photos of > people of any gender or sexuality in a venue that is intended to be > equally accessible to all is still inherently discriminatory towards > women specifically. This is because the sexualized imagery occurs in > the context of widespread misogyny and sexism which includes the > sexual double standard for women, the objectification (in a very > literal sense) of women in sexual situations, and a much higher > prevalence of sexual violence against women than men (I don't know the > stats for people who don't identify as either but I'm sure they aren't > good either). > > In other words, because the vast majority of humans alive today live > in cultures where sexual attitudes about women are so negative, > bringing up sex in a venue like this immediately creates a hostile > environment for women. I am repeating some of what Sumana already > wrote, just being very clear that pictures of male cheesecake or > sexualized photos of homosexual men also create a hostile environment > for women. > > Other venues are a different matter. It is indeed possible to create a > safer and more welcoming environment in which sex can be discussed or > displayed with less or no harm to women, but Picture of the Day is not > it. > > This is something I have to explain constantly to tech startups here > in the Bay Area, comprised often of mostly men who think there's > nothing wrong with literally covering the office walls with penis > jokes because "we're making fun of male genitalia, so that can't be > sexist towards women." These attitudes have real and lasting harm, > both for Wikimedia project participation and content, and for many > other areas of society. > > -VAL > > On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Lane Rasberry <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I wrote to a company which does male fashion and I might write to more, > > asking them to donate media. > > > > Fashion is controversial but as an industry it has driven world history. > > Part of fashion is sexuality and Wikipedia is harmed by suppressing > > sexuality and the world is harmed when Wikipedia does this. Fashion is > both > > what is marketed and how people present themselves in any context. > > > > Two Wikipedians, Dorothy Howard (user:OR drohowa) and Jason Moore > > (user:Another Believer) are coordinating a Wiki Loves Pride event to > > commemorate June as LGBT Pride month. Especially if we could present > other > > photos equally objectifying and celebrating a range of genders and body > > types then this kind of picture presentation could become a more positive > > experience among a general call for appreciation of sensual beauty in all > > its forms, rather than just pop-media marketing ideas. > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Pride_2014> > > > > The Wikimedia Commons challenge will also be LGBT-themed for June > > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photo_challenge> > > so perhaps people can upload sexiness and fun from various gay pride > events > > around the world in June. Flickr in particular has and will continue to > have > > lots of LGBT pride pictures from around the world. See also > > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:LGBT_events_by_year> > > > > I would love to see this controversy turn into a discussion about > acceptance > > of all kinds of people and praise for healthy expression of sexuality. > > > > yours, > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 8:57 AM, LtPowers < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> > So where is the dude cheesecake? :) > >> > >> > >> > >> We don't appear to have any that has reached Featured Picture status > yet. > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm kind of torn on this one. I don't think we should be making value > >> judgments on whether or not a particular FP is "worthy" of being > featured on > >> the Main Page or not; if it's good enough to be FP, it should be good > enough > >> to be POTD. But the opponents are right that this would turn off a lot > of > >> editors and potentially cause a firestorm. That makes this seem like a > case > >> of maintaining our ideals versus being practical about the impact, but > maybe > >> that's oversimplifying? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Powers &8^] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Lane Rasberry > > user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia > > 206.801.0814 > > [email protected] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > -- > Valerie Aurora > Executive Director > > You can help increase the participation of women in open technology and > culture! > Donate today at http://adainitiative.org/donate/ > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > -- Sarah Stierch ----- Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization. www.sarahstierch.com
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