Inclusionism and deletionism is a longstanding battleground where the community is awfully inconsistent. I decline a fair few incorrect speedy deletion tags, some of them so egregious it is very hard to assume good faith and not treat the tagger as a vandal.
I don't know whether there is a pattern of articles on women being more likely to be targeted by deletionists, or whether this is a matter of perspective, you know about the articles that you care about that are deleted and you see articles that you don't care about that have survived. What you are less likely to know about are the articles that you don't care about and that have been deleted. If I'm right then there is a common misperception that ones own particular area is sometimes judged to a higher standard. But this would be an interesting area for a couple of studies. Firstly looking at gender ratios of deleted and undeleted bios to see if there is an overall gender skew. Secondly look at the deleters and deletion taggers to see which ones have gender skews in their deletionism. Of course sometimes there will be clear reasons why there is a gender skew, I'd expect the editor who keeps an eye on the category "mixed martial artists" will mostly be tagging blokes for deletion. I'd also expect that the editor who monitors the model category will disproportionately be tagging women. But if we have deletionists who are disproportionately targeting women for no discernible reason then it would be good to identify them. Regards Jonathan > On 12 Apr 2015, at 04:48, Carol Moore dc <[email protected]> wrote: > > One can always just study the relevant articles. > But often it's a double standard in application of policies. > So if it's a guy architect with a couple low quality refs, > people won't even bother to notice or respond. > But if it's a woman architect with 7 or 8 solid ones, > it becomes a cause celebre to delete the article. > And none of that "give the women a chance to > beef it up" nonsense either. > > It tends to be quite irrational and knee jerk. > I've seen the same thing on articles about writers, > professors, politicians, anyone with even a mild > POV that goes against the alleged mainstream. > Their articles sometimes are ruthlessly attacked > and nitpicked. But if you just put a tag for > better references (or any references at all!) on > articles about individuals with an allegedly more > mainstream view who editors merely claim are > important in their field, you may get a lot of grief. > > That's what systemic bias is all about it. > > >> On 4/11/2015 5:55 PM, Rob wrote: >> Can anyone point to where this "troll" behavior happened? There don't seem >> to be a lot of specifics in this article, and I'm wondering if it's gender >> trolls (which are, alas, plentiful) or a culture clash between old editors >> and new ones over unfamiliar policies? >> >>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Carol Moore dc <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> On 4/10/2015 6:33 PM, Siko Bouterse wrote: >>>> This is the grant proposal referenced at the end of that article >>>> (currently under review as part of Inspire): >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/More_Female_Architects_on_Wikipedia >>> I remember NOT commenting on that one because I figured, who could have a >>> problem with that? >>> >>> How soon we forget that getting MORE women articles and editors was and >>> remains controversial. >>> >>> Banging head vs. wall.... >>> >>> >>> CM >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> [email protected] >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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