1. How would that be complicated? If people ID as a woman (or NB, or other 
identities included in WiR) then they'll be included, and if they don't they 
won't. It's almost like the entire point of this site is that it's relatively 
easy to edit...

2.  As for detransitioning being a major concern of yours:
"Surgical regret is actually very uncommon. Virtually every modern study puts 
it below 4 percent, and most estimate it to be between 1 and 2 percent 
(Cohen-Kettenis & Pfafflin 2003, Kuiper & Cohen-Kettenis 1998, Pfafflin & Junge 
1998, Smith 2005, Dhejne 2014). In some other recent longitudinal studies, none 
of the subjects expressed regret over medically transitioning (Krege et al. 
2001, De Cuypere et al. 2006).

These findings make sense given the consistent findings that access to medical 
care improves quality of life along many axes, including sexual functioning, 
self-esteem, body image, socioeconomic adjustment, family life, relationships, 
psychological status and general life satisfaction. This is supported by the 
numerous studies (Murad 2010, De Cuypere 2006, Kuiper 1988, Gorton 2011, 
Clements-Nolle 2006) that also consistently show that access to GCS reduces 
suicidality by a factor of three to six (between 67 percent and 84 percent)."

3. Why are you responding to the project with this irrelevant, inaccurate, TERF 
bullshit? These myths contribute to attitudes and policies that keep trans 
people from healthcare and other means of bodily autonomy. Do you believe that 
politicians overstep and condescend when they say that pregnant people can't be 
trusted to make the decision to get an abortion? This is the exact same 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gendergap [mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Carol Moore dc
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 3:13 PM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation 
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Subject: Re: [Gendergap] In memory of User:Danveg

On 1/9/2017 2:32 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen wrote:
> Thanks! I've been on a roll creating articles from the Women in Red 
> list, but have found that some on the list are not actually women (cis 
> or trans), but non-binary or trans men. That's a separate topic for 
> discussion, but others are welcome to weigh on it here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red#
> Skyler_Cooper.27s_gender_identity
> - Pax

And if you think that's complicated, wait til all those transwomen and transmen 
start detransitioning back to their "natal sex."  (Especially lesbians who 
decide that they've been pressured by sex stereotypes and society to reject 
their butch nature and want it back.)

A topic that probably will be covered more in the future than here:

One bio where this sort of thing might be relevant is 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_Arquette where Alexis' well known sister 
and brother (as well as boyfriend) stated to RS that Arquette was beginning to 
reject the ideology and even to "detransition." So if someone decided to take 
on that, obviously it would be an interesting discussion of RS, rumor, accuracy 
of sources, etc.

Of course, detransitioning will be more in the younger generation of notable 
personalities. Older generations often had decades to think about it before 
they took concrete transitioning steps. (Though lots of RS keep waiting for 
Caitlyn Jenner to do it so they can make money covering that side of the story.)

Today a lot of sexually confused young people have been led into it by advocacy 
groups, school counselors, doctors - and even parents who would prefer their 
child be of the opposite sex (sometimes because they are terrified otherwise 
the child will be gay!)

Then as they go into their late teens and early 20s they are becoming more 
independent and able to judge how much others influenced them. Some already are 
considering lawsuits against schools and advocacy groups they feel pushed them 
into a decision they now regret.

So this is a whole new area with lots of personal accounts and mainstream RS 
sources, though I'm sure it may be a while before anyone safely could expand 
that section of the article, create a new article, or write much about 
detransitioning celebrities.

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