At 10:36 AM 7/4/2005, you wrote: >Dennis wrote: > >> >> >>On 7/2/05, *Andrew Baudouin* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> >> Joey Kelly wrote: >> >> >>I should not have to read a manpage to figure out how to use an >> editor. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >Perhaps not, but can you do text replacement keyed off of regular >> expressions >> >in pico/nano? Execute a shell command (such as running the script >> you're >> >writing) from within the editor? Is nano installed by default on >> every *nix >> >box? >> > >> > >> Don't know, don't know, and don't know. Both Ubuntu and Gentoo, my >> distro's of choice, use it as their preferred editor. I find it >> interesting that instead of replying to my main reason for not >> using vi, >> you replied with features it has that aren't even necessary for basic >> text editing. >> >> vi doesn't come by default on gentoo, either. >> >> >>I will respond to your original reason. If the only tools that you are >>willing to use, are the tools that require no learning at all, then >>expect to waste hours doing the same function a thousand times. >I repeat: I am NOT a Unix sysadmin and I do not need to use its >features. I need to edit one-off config files and save them. Therefore, >an editor which comes with no visible interface just isn't for me nor is >it for all of the people that we are trying to convert to GNU/Linux. > >> >I used pico for years and years, even after I became a sysadmin, >> but made the >> >switch back in 2001. I spent one torturous week trying to learn >> the basic >> >commands in vim >> > >> Glutton for punishment? :) >> >> >>Or he wants to get things done on time. > >great. > >> >> >, and tried to go back to pico at the end of the week, but >> >found I simply couldn't go back to such a useless editor. I stuck >> with vim >> >and haven't looked back since. >> > >> > >> Your post is the essence of Linux elitism. >> >> >>What are you smoking, nano and vim both run on linux. You could probably >>get away with vim elitism or maybe Linux (with vim installed) >>elitism. Otherwise this comment is a cheap shot and I rate -1 troll. > >Rate it whatever you want, but it is true. "I use Linux, therefore I'm >better". "I use a difficult and esoteric editor, therefore I'm better". >It's the same attitude.
Why not copy the file to a FAT16 partition and then boot Windows -- you can use Notepad to edit it. There are neat tools like cr and crlf that you can use in a DOS window to convert the files from unix/linux format to windose format, too. Of course, you could just copy them to a Samba directory and then click the button on the kvm switch to change to any variety of windose machine to edit your files. Or, you could vnc to the Windows box and edit it from there with Notepad or any of the other excellent, multi-function, reliable tools that come with windose. Personally, I use vim on my Linux box. I had hell with a Mepis installation until I dug in and found that the "vi" I was running on my other partitions was actually a symbolic link to vim. Quick fix on the Mepis box and all was right with the world. BTW, my Mepis partition is now just a boot alternative. I'm running CentOS 4.1 on my home Linux box now. I finally realized that my Promise Ultra100 card wasn't being recognized. I had to code boot parameters to get it recognized. That, and some brain-freeze problems trying to get the drive formatted, were the triggers to try CentOS. Now that I know what the issue was, I'll probably play some more with Mepis. It is more user-friendly than any RedHat (or RHEL clone like CentOS) than I've seen, but I'm more used to the rpm system. -- Terry Stockdale -- Baton Rouge, LA My main website: http://www.TerryStockdale.com My newsletter: http://www.TerrysComputerTips.com
