Im sorry, it was my understanding that the list was run by its members. I was just trying to clarify what would be appropriate and inappropriate for the list. The list is called BRLUG-general not BRLUG-tech, and I dont think people should be banned for arguing or flames unless its not related to Linux.
And I dont like being told to shut up when im having a reasonable debate among adults. So I guess ban me and run your list however you see fit. Dustin Puryear wrote: >This is all very helpful, but, honestly, I'd like us to move past this whole >conversation. > >Want to rant or complain? Go to brlug-poly. Want to ask or answer technical >questions? Go to brlug-general. If you post to brlug-general anything like a >rant or begin battering Microsoft, Linux, another member, whatever, then you >will be temporarily dropped from the list. > >That's it. > >So, let's just close this out. > >Thanks. > >--- >Puryear Information Technology, LLC >Baton Rouge, LA * 225-706-8414 >http://www.puryear-it.com > >Author of "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" >Download your free copy: >http://www.puryear-it.com/bestpractices.htm > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Tortorich" <ctorto1 at lsu.edu> >To: <General at brlug.net> >Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:22 PM >Subject: Re: [brlug-general] New List - politics at brlug.net > > > > >>Alan wrote: >> >> >> >>>You may find this comes back and bites you in the backside, although I >>>hope not. (Blake, not you specifically - it was just your post I >>>selected to reply to.) I enjoy the banter, occasional duels, and what I >>>perceive as an overriding camaraderie. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Agreed. I saw a similar thing happen with the LSU-ITINFO mailing list, >>although its not a perfect analogy. Basically they made it to where no >>one could discuss their mighty informative mass emails, even though we >>all know OCS is FAR from infallible. As a result, it sucked, and I never >>paid much attention to it after that (NOTICE: Our security is >>unbelievably bad.... NOTICE: Our mail servers suck...booooring). For me >>it was a forum to stick one to 'the man' at LSU and point out to them >>when they just seemed lazy and were unwilling to discuss the reasoning >>behind stuff (case in point, STILL blocking ALL ICMP to/from campus, >>instead of filtering). They created an IT-FORUM for those of us who >>wanted to actually discuss things, but of course no one joined but the >>zealots, and I will bet not many will actually join the BRLUG-politics >>one, or not enough to get anything interesting going. People are lazy, >>myself included. And I also find that people dont like to argue without >>an "audience" to interject occasionally. There has to be critical mass. >> >>I think the distinction has to be made between arguments about Microsoft >>vs linux TECHNOLOGY (not just this microsoft, but lets face it, it is >>prevalent) which is appropriate, I think, even if they get flamey, and >>Microsoft vs. Linux politics arguments, which most of us agree are >>inappropriate for this list regardless of flame levels. Let me explain >>why, at least from my perspective. >> >>Im a technology person. Microsoft's business policies interest me about >>as much as Citygroup's, or any other huge company. Dont care at all. I >>have learned that companies are not nice, on a whole. Even if you think >>they are, they arent They all try to seem nice, so that you will not >>hate them, but they just want to make endless sums of money for their >>investors. I have a BS in Management from Tulane. What did it teach me? >>I dont want to be involved in business at that level. Makes me feel >>dirty. Dont care about bill, dont care about ESR, dont care about Theo >> >>To illustrate my point, I admit Microsoft is evil and I really just dont >>care, but I do care about the quality of thier products. To further my >>example, I also ride bikes. I dont care if Bianchi is a responsible bike >>company, I just like thier frames. So sure, bash a Microsoft PRODUCT. I >>may even defend it, becasue I have worked with it for years and there >>are some things I like about it. Want to talk NTFS permissions vs. the >>linux persmissions model? Lets do it. Talk to me about how microsoft >>hates google? Dont care in the least, thats why we have that other >>group. A tech argument can be backed up with hands on experience with >>the product. I dont want people to be afraid of bashing a MS product n >>this list for fear of being "political". I dont think thats political , >>as long as you back it up with something other than "Cuz micr$oft sucks >>and linux is free". Which you can. A ton of people on this list are >>smart and knowledgable and dont need to reasort to that. >> >>There is one other major another problem, prevalent even among tech >>discussions - personal attacks. We are all supposedly adults - can't we >>all just hit a bong, er, get along? The non-anti-microsoft people and >>the anti-microsoft people I think can drop the personal attacks. Right >>guys? Its not that hard. Don't direct your posts at a person, but rather >>the thread, if possible. Dont post with the intent of pising the other >>person off (I think we are all guilty of that one - I know I am). Dont >>call people names. Just post what you think about the product or tech >>item being discussed, and try to be as polite as you would if we were >>all in a room together, where to open your mouth and smart off could >>possibly get you popped in said mouth by someone larger and/or crazier >>than you. Common consideration. Playground rules. I think we can do it =) >> >>Just my 2 cents. Thoughts? Expletives? >> >>Chris >> >>_______________________________________________ >>General mailing list >>General at brlug.net >>http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >General mailing list >General at brlug.net >http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > >
