Done, and this thread is ended. brlug-general is technical-only for the next few weeks as I already mentioned. Complain off-list.
--- Puryear Information Technology, LLC Baton Rouge, LA * 225-706-8414 http://www.puryear-it.com Author of "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" Download your free copy: http://www.puryear-it.com/bestpractices.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Tortorich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <General at brlug.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [brlug-general] New List - politics at brlug.net > Im sorry, it was my understanding that the list was run by its members. > I was just trying to clarify what would be appropriate and inappropriate > for the list. The list is called BRLUG-general not BRLUG-tech, and I > dont think people should be banned for arguing or flames unless its not > related to Linux. > > And I dont like being told to shut up when im having a reasonable debate > among adults. So I guess ban me and run your list however you see fit. > > Dustin Puryear wrote: > >>This is all very helpful, but, honestly, I'd like us to move past this >>whole >>conversation. >> >>Want to rant or complain? Go to brlug-poly. Want to ask or answer >>technical >>questions? Go to brlug-general. If you post to brlug-general anything like >>a >>rant or begin battering Microsoft, Linux, another member, whatever, then >>you >>will be temporarily dropped from the list. >> >>That's it. >> >>So, let's just close this out. >> >>Thanks. >> >>--- >>Puryear Information Technology, LLC >>Baton Rouge, LA * 225-706-8414 >>http://www.puryear-it.com >> >>Author of "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" >>Download your free copy: >>http://www.puryear-it.com/bestpractices.htm >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Chris Tortorich" <ctorto1 at lsu.edu> >>To: <General at brlug.net> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:22 PM >>Subject: Re: [brlug-general] New List - politics at brlug.net >> >> >> >> >>>Alan wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>You may find this comes back and bites you in the backside, although I >>>>hope not. (Blake, not you specifically - it was just your post I >>>>selected to reply to.) I enjoy the banter, occasional duels, and what I >>>>perceive as an overriding camaraderie. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Agreed. I saw a similar thing happen with the LSU-ITINFO mailing list, >>>although its not a perfect analogy. Basically they made it to where no >>>one could discuss their mighty informative mass emails, even though we >>>all know OCS is FAR from infallible. As a result, it sucked, and I never >>>paid much attention to it after that (NOTICE: Our security is >>>unbelievably bad.... NOTICE: Our mail servers suck...booooring). For me >>>it was a forum to stick one to 'the man' at LSU and point out to them >>>when they just seemed lazy and were unwilling to discuss the reasoning >>>behind stuff (case in point, STILL blocking ALL ICMP to/from campus, >>>instead of filtering). They created an IT-FORUM for those of us who >>>wanted to actually discuss things, but of course no one joined but the >>>zealots, and I will bet not many will actually join the BRLUG-politics >>>one, or not enough to get anything interesting going. People are lazy, >>>myself included. And I also find that people dont like to argue without >>>an "audience" to interject occasionally. There has to be critical mass. >>> >>>I think the distinction has to be made between arguments about Microsoft >>>vs linux TECHNOLOGY (not just this microsoft, but lets face it, it is >>>prevalent) which is appropriate, I think, even if they get flamey, and >>>Microsoft vs. Linux politics arguments, which most of us agree are >>>inappropriate for this list regardless of flame levels. Let me explain >>>why, at least from my perspective. >>> >>>Im a technology person. Microsoft's business policies interest me about >>>as much as Citygroup's, or any other huge company. Dont care at all. I >>>have learned that companies are not nice, on a whole. Even if you think >>>they are, they arent They all try to seem nice, so that you will not >>>hate them, but they just want to make endless sums of money for their >>>investors. I have a BS in Management from Tulane. What did it teach me? >>>I dont want to be involved in business at that level. Makes me feel >>>dirty. Dont care about bill, dont care about ESR, dont care about Theo >>> >>>To illustrate my point, I admit Microsoft is evil and I really just dont >>>care, but I do care about the quality of thier products. To further my >>>example, I also ride bikes. I dont care if Bianchi is a responsible bike >>>company, I just like thier frames. So sure, bash a Microsoft PRODUCT. I >>>may even defend it, becasue I have worked with it for years and there >>>are some things I like about it. Want to talk NTFS permissions vs. the >>>linux persmissions model? Lets do it. Talk to me about how microsoft >>>hates google? Dont care in the least, thats why we have that other >>>group. A tech argument can be backed up with hands on experience with >>>the product. I dont want people to be afraid of bashing a MS product n >>>this list for fear of being "political". I dont think thats political , >>>as long as you back it up with something other than "Cuz micr$oft sucks >>>and linux is free". Which you can. A ton of people on this list are >>>smart and knowledgable and dont need to reasort to that. >>> >>>There is one other major another problem, prevalent even among tech >>>discussions - personal attacks. We are all supposedly adults - can't we >>>all just hit a bong, er, get along? The non-anti-microsoft people and >>>the anti-microsoft people I think can drop the personal attacks. Right >>>guys? Its not that hard. Don't direct your posts at a person, but rather >>>the thread, if possible. Dont post with the intent of pising the other >>>person off (I think we are all guilty of that one - I know I am). Dont >>>call people names. Just post what you think about the product or tech >>>item being discussed, and try to be as polite as you would if we were >>>all in a room together, where to open your mouth and smart off could >>>possibly get you popped in said mouth by someone larger and/or crazier >>>than you. Common consideration. Playground rules. I think we can do it =) >>> >>>Just my 2 cents. Thoughts? Expletives? >>> >>>Chris >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>General mailing list >>>General at brlug.net >>>http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>General mailing list >>General at brlug.net >>http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >
