On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:19 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > >> Just to make sure that my argument is clearly stated let me make two points >> very, very explicitly: >> 1. I would expect the folks bringing NetBeans to ASF Incubator to have >> had >> spent reasonable amount of time trying to contact anybody who may feel >> like >> their level of contributions to NetBeans (past or present) could >> qualify them >> to be on that list. Contacting doesn't mean they should be >> automatically added >> to that list, but rather: >> 1.1. made aware what is going to happen to NetBeans soon >> 1.2. given a chance to request being added to the list (like >> we already saw >> somebody did on this very thread) >> >> 2. Precisely because #1 is super time consuming and can't be fool >> proof, we need >> to make sure that the expectation going in is that anybody who was >> missed as part >> of outreach described above will be given special considerations >> once the project >> enters incubation. >> >> That's it. In fact, I'd rather see #1 and #2 be made part of the >> proposal (you don't >> have to write a thesis -- just a few paragraph) before I will feel >> comfortable about >> casting my vote. > > > > For #1, we contacted a number of different communities around NetBeans to > ask for individual contributors: (1) individuals and organizations within > Oracle who are invested in NetBeans, (2) individuals and organizations who > have built applications on top of the NetBeans Platform and NetBeans IDE, > (3) the NetBeans Dream Team, which is a community of NetBeans enthusiasts > around the world who don't work for Oracle yet advocate NetBeans to their > communities as a free and open source development environment, tooling > platform, and application framework, (4) a subset of the individual > contributors of plugins, published at plugins.netbeans.org, (5) the > NetBeans Platform mailing list, which is where potential individual > contributors with NetBeans API knowledge are found. > > We have also talked about this a lot and actively last week at JavaOne and > at NetBeans Day. We have tweeted about it. There have been discussions on > internal and external mailing lists. > > What can still be done -- track down ex-NetBeans developers who used to > work at Sun or Oracle. Some of these have already been contacted, though > not all of them yet. It's also a question of identifying who these are, > i.e., we don't have a list of these somewhere, we need to recall who worked > with us in the past and contact them on a case by case basis. Something > else that can be done is to contact the NetBeans users mailing list. We > have already done the latter in terms of informing them about the Apache > plans, we have not yet actively asked people to volunteer to be individual > contributors from the NetBeans users mailing list -- I propose we wait to > do that until a bit later because we could end up with literally 100's of > individual contributors if we do that and it might be advisable to keep te > list down to something semi manageable, which is what we have now. > > For everyone in the NetBeans community, all this is quite new, the Apache > process, etc. We'll take it step by step. Once we're in incubation, and > we've set up the Wiki, and the mailing lists, we can take the next steps of > appealing more broadly for individual contributors, who we will then vote > in. I'm concerned that the longer we make the initial contributors list and > the more we add to it, the more insulted someone might feel for having been > omitted. :-) > > All the above info can be added to the proposal, if this is desirable, > though the long list of individual contributors already there should be > evidence enough in itself that we're working hard on being inclusive and > getting broad involvement in this project.
This is very reasonable. Please put it into the proposal. Thanks, Roman. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
