On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 00:18, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > > Hi - > > > On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:55 PM, 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu.sh...@foxmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Roman > > > > > > In the discussion, I started about inviting committers to PMC when > > graduation, shows the most PPMC members support this. We will wait another > > 2 days, in case someone may say others. > > > > > > In case PPMC agree, I want to ask the process steps of this. From committer > > to PMC, I think each one should be invited and accept to be one. Then, when > > should the invitation happens? > > Do we need to send invitation and get confirmation before change the > > graduation PMC list? > > Or we could change the PMC list first, after our graduation proposal is > > accepted, we send the invitation. > > Just put them all on the graduation proposal (the IPMC and board’s approval > is equal to NOTICE) and (unless Infra does it) add them to the PMC in Whimsy > once you have graduated and infrastructure has moved the project LDAP.
Huh? That does not sound right. The graduation proposal lists the initial PMC membership (committers are irrelevant here). Adding committers to the proposal (if that is what you meant) is the same as adding them to the (initial) PMC. That can only be done if the committers have agreed to becoming members, in which case you might as well add them to the PPMC before graduation. The podling should also check that all the mentors want to continue after graduation; if not, omit them from the proposal (and adjust LDAP after graduation). The same LDAP structure is now used for both PMCs and podlings, so AFAIK LDAP is not changed by Infra on graduation. Once the PPMC has graduated, committers can be added to the PMC in the normal way. i.e. VOTE, send NOTICE (to board, not IPMC), wait 72 hrs, invite committer, update PMC via Whimsy. The new PMC can also use Whimsy to adjust LDAP in case some members (e.g. mentors) did not want to continue. > Regards, > Dave > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > > > From Wu Sheng 's phone. > > > > > > ------------------ Original ------------------ > > From: roman <ro...@shaposhnik.org> > > Date: Tue,Mar 5,2019 0:50 PM > > To: general <general@incubator.apache.org> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a > > TLP(take2) > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever <m...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days. > >>> > >>> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made. > >>>> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is > >>>> something they need to follow. > >>> > >> As noted else-thread, there is an alternate method to subscribing to the > >> email lists, by sending email to > >> private-subscribe-EMAIL.ADDRESS=domain....@skywalking.apache.org > >> > >>> Not getting any response at all is not an indication of whether the list > >>> exist of not, unfortunately. > >>> > >>> Anyway… to the thread's discussion: every PPMC received an invitation > >>> (per Apache template) that requested subscription to both dev and private > >>> ML. Reading the ASF guidelines here: > >>> https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#communication ; I > >>> interpret it as they SHOULD be subscribed rather than MUST, and I'm > >>> curious as to whether how many of the TLPs are actually enforcing this > >>> among their pmc, if any. It's an interesting discussion… but I'm not > >>> entirely convinced it's an accurate shortcoming to whether the podling is > >>> ready for graduation or not. > >> > >> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is the > >> proposed PMC list accurate". > >> > >> The PMC members are responsible for governing the TLP and as such need to > >> be familiar with what is expected of them. Governance activities are > >> conducted on the PPMC private list. If a PPMC member has not participated > >> in any governance activities during incubation, it's unclear that they > >> belong on the PMC. > >> > >> Reviewing the last several months of private@skywalking list, most of the > >> discussion of new committers has had only four or five participants, who > >> are clearly involved in governance of the project. > > > > From a peanut gallery: has the podling considered PMC == committers at > > the graduation point? > > The two lists look very close to each other. > > > > Thanks, > > Roman. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
