Ok, Kevin, I think your points are clear (and so are mine). Hopefully everyone will
have made
his/her own opinion on the subject.
Probably you have a stronger case here, but I'd like to know the opinion of the PMC on
the
subject, if they think it's worthwhile. Would you accept dual (ASL/GPL)-licensed code?
Why?
[Note: if I reply to your messages and leave the FBI teasers on the bottom, am I
eligible for
a federal investigation? :o]
Un saludo,
Alex.
"Kevin A. Burton" wrote:
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> Alex Fernández <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > Hi Kevin!
> >
> > "Kevin A. Burton" wrote:
> >
> > > If you subscribe to the BSD philosophy that in order to have a strong software
> > > development model you need to be loose with your licensing so more people can
> > > easily embrace your code. Dual licensing allows the GPL camp to accept our code
> > > into their fold and treat it like a first class citizen. No more wars. They
> > > get to keep their GPL philosophy, we get to keep our BSD philosophy. Just flip
> > > the coin and it is a win-win situation :).
> >
> > I like the idea, and I deeply respect your point of view (philosophy). I'm talking
>about
> > practical aspects.
> >
> > Suppose Apache Software Foundation has a codebase, Foo 1.0. It's dual-licensed:
>BSD or
> > GPL, whatever you choose. Now the FSF likes it, so they choose GPL and develop Foo
>1.1
> > under GPL. (They would never work with dual-licensed code.) No mention at all in
>the
> > credits.
>
> First off, forking is an essential right in any Open Source project. For
> natural selection to really take hold we need to allow individuals to try out
> new ideas and see if they work. That said it is VERY hard to fork an Open
> Source project. Just imagine trying to fork Apache httpd into another
> project... would never happen unless you had a REALLY good reason to do it.
> The FSF might decide to fork but they would have to put a LOT of work into the
> code base to make it that much better and there would have to be REALLY good
> technical reasons.
>
> BTW part of the fork effort here would be justifying the GPL only switch. A lot
> of developers that are BSD fans would stick to the dual licensed code.
>
> <snip>
> > On the other hand, suppose some evil company takes it and releases an independent
>and
> > improved Foo 1.2 under BSD license. Now, they don't have to release the source
>code --
>
> yup. you have to consider this when you release your code. BTW this can happen
> under ALL BSD licensed projects and if this is an issue you should use the GPL.
>
> <snip>
> > We're not even to the point of enforcing the license. Imagine what a big company
>can do
> > in a trial if they're sued, with this kind of license.
> <snip>
>
> <IANAL>
>
> - - Scenario 1:
>
> - Lawyer: Which license did you use?
>
> - Company: GPL
>
> - Lawyer: Did you release your source?
>
> - Company: No
>
> - Lawyer: No further questions your honor.
>
> - - Scenario 2:
>
> - Lawyer: Which license did you use?
>
> - Company: BSD Style
>
> - Lawyer: Did you give the original developers credit?
>
> - Company: No
>
> - Lawyer: No further questions your honor.
>
> </IANAL>
>
> The enforment is easy. It is just like enforcing any existing license.
>
> Kevin
>
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