--- Jon Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lets see:
> 
> Sun doesn't open Java so that M$ can do cool stuff
> with Java and put them
> out of business.

Some of that stuff was cool, but it broke platform
neutrality (hmm, familiar modus operandi).  If M$
decided to make it _obvious_ that COM integration
was a M$ specific feature instead of muddying the
concept of what the proper API was, it wouldn't
have been such a big deal.

> M$ attempts to do cool stuff with it anyway by
> creating a clean room
> implementation. Go M$!

I don't mind a clean room implementation.  I don't
mind them trying to get a really fast VM.  I just
want to be assured software I write works in EVERY
PLATFORM--with no mods.

> Sun sues M$ for trying to do something cool with
> Java:
> 
> > "It is ironic that we spent three years in
> litigation with Sun over their
> > attempt to stop us from shipping Java in Windows,
> and now they are complaining
> > that we are not shipping it by default in Windows
> XP," said Jim Cullinan,
> > Windows XP lead product manager."
> 
> M$ creates competition with .NET and removes Java
> from its OS.

No serious development was targeted at M$ VM anyway,
it was too old.  It is a *good* thing that we can
have a common standard work on all platforms!

> Sun takes full page ads out and whines like a baby.
> 
> > "Microsoft certainly is not doing Java users any
> favors," he said. "It's
> > entirely understandable and predictable they would
> do something like that.
> > They have been an underminer of Java since day
> one."

I could think of some full page adds that M$ has run
whining like a baby, so I don't get your point.  It's
all marketing anyway.

> Someone should run an ad in the various newspapers
> to tell Sun to get a
> f*cking clue.

<expletive ignored>

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