On Thursday, October 18, 2001, at 08:18 AM, Ranjit Mathew wrote:

> Coming to the issues raised in Jon's document and
> elsewhere on this thread, I must tell you that this
> has been a closed-source project so far with no
> external developer community to speak of. It is still
> being actively developed and improved upon though, and
> as Paul points out, will be for quite some time to
> come.


anybody can donate code to the Apache Software Foundation simply by 
creating code under The Apache Software License.

but apache is more than a license.
it's a way of open source development.

there are open source projects whose development process is pretty much 
closed.
the developers are a tight knit bunch and run their project more or less 
like commercial software development.
the source might be open but the development process and the general 
project direction arn't.

that's not how it is here at apache.
development is done very much in the open.
changes are argued about in public on public lists.
(a bit like this, i guess)
sometimes people get angry and leave.
decisions are not cooked up in private.
directions and designs are decided by election.


>  We sincerely feel that the J2EE developer community
> will definitely benefit from such a solution.
>
> The "itches" that bothered us in our assignments are
> certainly those that are faced by most J2EE developers
> and sooner or later there will appear appropriate "scratches" -
> here or elsewhere. Why not use this as a starting point
> rather than starting from scratch? (Unintended pun!)

you've persuaded me (at least) that you have enough commercial reasons for 
THBS to want to open source ASPizer.

so - do it!
create a new project at source force and pick a license.
(if you retain the original copyright then you can always release the code 
again under a different license later if that becomes necessary.)

i don't think that you'll get much joy here until people can see you're 
code.

- robert

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