Sam Ruby wrote: > > I think Roy's reaction is highly predicatable, and should be anticipated. > >From http://jakarta.apache.org/site/pmc/01-01-17-meeting-minutes.html : > > > Roy identified two potential showstoppers and (1) if there > > was overlap with other PMCs (example: Cocoon), and (2) if the new > > proposed PMC could not demonstrate that there is adequate coverage. > > Sam, when you do this "cheshire cat" thing, I'm never sure what you are > insinuating.
It wasn't intentional. At least not this time... ;-) > I could see Roy saying no, because he believed Jakarta was too big last > year. > > Or, I could see Roy saying yes, because he deeply believes > decision-making should be pushed down. > > Since this is a meritocracy, and we are doing the work of Jakarta, Roy's > core belief in meritocracy could outweigh his personal inclinations. Or > not, I really can't say. > > I've never spoken to Roy about this myself, and all I know is what I see > in the public emails. Roy does appear to believe that the project is too big. But then again, he appears comfortable with the size of the board which obviously has a might wider scope. I do believe that if we demonstrated enough of an internal structure, we could address this issue. > The other thing that went around last year implied that we could > fragment Jakarta or change its scope. We then trebled the size of the > PMC, but apparently skirted the scope issue. The overlapping scope issue is actually the one I meant to highlight. I think it would reopen the question as to how we justify the split between Jakarta and XML. FYI: Last time, we got away with this by talking about the expressed desires of the subprojects. Ant was specifically called out, and was explicitly polled, and at the time the poll was taken, the overwhelming consensus was that they did not want to get split out. My feeling is that community comes first. If Ant or any other code base or collection of code bases wanted to split out into a separate community, I would actively work to not only work to make it happen, I would work to adjust the scope accordingly. Similarly, if POI or any other code base actively wanted to join Jakarta and we felt it was compatible with the community, then I would fight to make whatever adjustments to the charter that were required to make this happen. - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
