On 1/6/02 1:26 PM, "Sam Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter Donald wrote: >> >>> Again, you might think the above is flip, but you are talking about >>> modifying the charter here... >> >> The charter was modified ages ago. Sure the words haven't changed but it has >> been a long time since jakarta project was actually true to the words in its >> charter ... see Ant the "server-side" project >> >> So instead of accepting that we violate scope with more than half the jakarta >> projects people took to inventing reasons to keep them at jakarta. ie Ant >> became acceptable because it was a tool that could be used to build >> serverside projects. How silly is that reason? > > Slightly revisionist. Ant was part of the original charter for Jakarta. > There was a sister project named "Java" which contained a number of other > projects > > Just to have a little fun (and this time, it is very intentional)... the > project I consider most "out of scope" is dvsl. There is nothing server > specific about it, and has everything in the world to do with XML. Check > it out for yourself: http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/dvsl/index.html . >
I do too, and I wrote it. I was going to put DVSL at sourceforge, but was strongly encouraged by people I talked to to make it a part of the Velocity community. Note that it isn't considered 'core' to velocity. I even bought the dvsl.org domain name, so you know that I am being honest here. To that end, gump is just susceptible to the same observation. Until recently, it wasn't even written in java, was it? Wasn't it shell scripts and xsl? Maybe we should use it as an anchor project for an Apache shell script and xsl community :) And I thought that my belief that sam picks on me was my delusion... > I still maintain that scope is a distraction. Community is what is > important. > I think I wrote that a message or to ago as well. More crossing the ether I suppose. > - Sam Ruby > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting "Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech." - Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
