On 1/7/02 11:20 PM, "Jon Scott Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 1/7/02 8:10 PM, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I agree with Sam here - you have to buy into the Gump nags and understand >> the value, or you are going to think it's an intrusive fussyness, which it >> is, actually :) > > Or you could think of it this way... > > Part of the 'privilege' of being able to host your project on Jakarta is the > requirement of needing to accept our way of doing things. Of course being > dictators about everything isn't going to work...things like forcing > everyone to use OSX and a certain IDE definitely won't fly... > > However, when there are areas where we know damn well that something is the > right way to do things (such as using the ASF license, using Gump's nag > features, having javadocs targets and being consistent in using documented > code formatting), that is part of being part of the Jakarta Community and > the group of people who 'get it'. It is part of being in a larger community > collective and sharing some similar values and development principles. > Yep - but you have to bring these things to the community by consensus. For example, new things were learned as Gump evolved. (And are still being learned today) Now, you added the nag.pl, but that was by fiat, wasn't it? Not in a bad way - you saw something and took the initiative - but others didn't understand right away. After a while, it became accepted, even cherished. (Who am I kidding - Gump is never cherished - that just made for good copy. It's a pain in the neck, annoying, written in ugly pointy bracket stuff, and insanely valuable :) > That is what should make us different than Sourceforge... Fine, but it comes from consensus, doesn't it? I can't suppose that I can tell you about that - you were/are my 'mentor' in most of this - but I hope that you can step back and at least consider that the failure is our own if we can't rally around a set of common mores. Why are we failing? I am suspicious of our size :) > -jon > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting Be a giant. Take giant steps. Do giant things... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
