On 1/29/02 6:32 AM, "Endre St�lsvik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A bit to flame-baitish, yes yes.. > > > But there are two things in that mail: > > 1) Why not do some grouping of the projects in Jakarta? > > ( 1b) Maybe not all projects in Jakarta are of the identical importance? Well, not sure if it's 'importance'. I think the smallest suggestion to the README.txt of the smallest unofficial commons-sandbox component deserves the same respect as any other contribution. We recognize that there is a distinction between 'top level projects' and things that aren't - that was part of the motivation for the Jakarta Commons project. However, that's just packaging and community organization - nothing about 'rank'. > I would suppose that the most important project of Jakarta is Tomcat. Maybe at one point. And most likely now also, given whatever metric you judge it by - such as # of downloads, traffic on lists, etc. But times change ;) > After that there is definately a lot to argue about, so why not instead > try to group the projects a bit. I see that some work is done with the > "frontpage", but the "directory" should also have some tune-over.) What's the point? They will still always be separate communities in separate CVS repositories. Let me put it another way : what problem are we trying to solve? That people have trouble finding out what's here? That's something we need to address on the website, I think. > 2) If a guy that's already within Jakarta decides that he'll make a nice, > thight, _small_ little library, it seems like getting it into Jakarta just > takes a cvs commit. Even top level. No way. I'm a guy in Jakarta. I have commit privs to Velocity, Commons and a small section of Turbine, and the main site, IIRC. That's it. I can offer patches to any of the others, but like anyone else, I need to demonstrate interest, commitment, and competence before the community grants me commit privs to their CVS. It's up to the individual community. It helps that I am an existing jakarta guy - it shows that I 'get it' when it comes to the Jakarta-way (or other people think I do :) One of my responsibilities as a PMC member is covering Jmeter (for licensing and community issues), and I have no commit rights there - I am just another list lurker... The point is that even as part of the 'management committee' of jakarta, I have no special privs. And I think that is the right way, BTW. > While if fantastically cool projects > that are outside of Jakarta wants to get in, it's about impossible. Come on. This year we started Commons and added Lucene, BCEL, POI. (And as I thought we were large enough before POI, we are certainly large enough now :) What 'fantastically cool projects' want to get in? > > (Corollary (?!): Jon Stevens' vote is about 10 times bigger than > everybody elses.) Nope. Some of us just tend to listen to him... -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
