On 1/29/02 7:02 AM, "Endre St�lsvik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > | What's the point? > | > | They will still always be separate communities in separate CVS repositories. > | > | Let me put it another way : what problem are we trying to solve? > > Me coming to the front page and trying to understand what Jakarta is all > about. "Browsing" it.. Reading about all the cool technologies that's in > there. > > | > | That people have trouble finding out what's here? That's something we need > | to address on the website, I think. > > Yes. > Good. We agree :) > | > | > | > 2) If a guy that's already within Jakarta decides that he'll make a nice, > | > thight, _small_ little library, it seems like getting it into Jakarta just > | > takes a cvs commit. Even top level. > | > | No way. I'm a guy in Jakarta. I have commit privs to Velocity, Commons and > | a small section of Turbine, and the main site, IIRC. That's it. > > I was kind of kidding there. But it does look like it's easy to get a > project accepted at Jakarta if you already have "some control" over the > community. Example? Stefano pushed to get POI in, and there was *huge* pushback. > > [..] | The point is that even as part of the 'management committee' of > | jakarta, I have no special privs. And I think that is the right way, > | BTW. > > I basically try to point out that I think this isn't the case now.. > > People from "the outside" is met with a very hostile attitude if they ask > whether this or that project could interest/supplement Apache/Jakarta, > while people (or.. Jon?) on the inside says "yo, dudes, what about me > stuffing this little lib toplevel onto jakarta?".. "Ok, that's 5 minutes > response time, it's now in place." Can you offer an example? > | > While if fantastically cool projects > | > that are outside of Jakarta wants to get in, it's about impossible. > | > | Come on. This year we started Commons and added Lucene, BCEL, POI. > > How much cooler isn't the idea of POI compared to ECS? BCEL? And how much > more hassle and stress did the POI dudes have to go through, compared to > ECS? Don't know about ECS - that was something from java.apache.org days, I think, and I suspect just grandfathered in. Seems right to me. And I am not saying that because I am a jakarta guy, or Jon is my friend, or anything like that. In the evolution of Jakarta, java.apache.org came before - it makes sense to keep the continuity. > | What 'fantastically cool projects' want to get in? > > BCEL and POI are the ones I'm especcialy pointing towards here. Both are in... What is the argument again? > | > (Corollary (?!): Jon Stevens' vote is about 10 times bigger than > | > everybody elses.) > | > | Nope. Some of us just tend to listen to him... > > I know. > > > As a complement to this: how is the "deprecating" system of Jakarta? If a > project "dies", that nobody seems to update it, the list dies or something > like this, does it die away from Jakarta too? It seems to - look at the calendar project :) -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting "We will be judged not by the monuments we build, but by the monuments we destroy" - Ada Louise Huxtable -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
