> There is no paid staff, and AFAIK, no "designers" who are also
> committers.

The maven layout looks like it has been designed by a "designer".

> > except that the website is not only for geeks. It's also for people
> > that make decisions and have money.
> 
> Says who? 

Me. I wan't to use jakarta stuff in the 'corporate' world. Parts of the corporate 
world want a 'sleek' looking site. Where it doesn't hamper anything else, I think 
there is no problem making the site look 'sleek'.

> Personally, I leave the eye-candy to others, and focus on functionality.

I thin navigation is part of functionality, not eye-candy. Without navigation, you 
need to know the address of every web page on the site.

> I'm not saying that I would be particularly interested in any design
> anyone else came up with. I'm just saying that if I need to change it,
> I'm going to change it, because there ain't nobody else here to do it.

I need to change it, so I want to do so. Since I believe the changes I need to make 
will benefit all of jakarta, I am trying to make them in a way that all of jakarta can 
live with.

> Personally, I'd say it's better that our sites don't look ~too~ good.

Don't worry, we're not gonna look too good just yet :D

> That way people don't get the wrong impression. There is no commericial
> support here. Just a bunch of volunteers doing the best they can.
> Jakarta is an all-you-can-eat buffet, and should probably look like one
> :o)

Jakarta is partly funded by commercial companies. I think some of them would rather 
not be associated with something looking like an all-you-can-eat ;)

As long as we agree that nothing should get into the way of site functionality (and we 
do), why would you oppose a site that also is easy to navigate and looks good?

regards,

- Leo


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