You're still missing the point ... The main detail to me is I'd like to 
use a combined collaborated project...  I'd -1 solely on that. 
 Centipede more completely fits MY needs and will make it easier for me 
to work with several projects that I need (not just tlaking about 
xsl)...  I'd -1 solely on that

BTW when did the Majority voting rule overrule the consenus based?   I 
regard this as a product change.  



Morgan Delagrange wrote:

>I agree with pretty much everything said, although as
>always Jon words it a tad more strongly than I ever
>would.  :)
>
>Let the community decide.  If 51% of the developers
>want to use XSL, or DVSL, then that's what you should
>use.  If you don't like it, prove that your
>alternative is better.  But dropping a whole project
>because of a detail is needless.
>
>- Morgan
>
>--- Jon Scott Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>on 5/2/02 8:44 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>Same here, I'll -1 a switch to either maven or
>>>
>>centipede on the projects I
>>
>>>have a vote on until they find a way to work
>>>
>>togheter.
>>
>>>DVSL may be a nice language, but XSLT is the
>>>
>>standard - regardless of how
>>
>>>you play with the word. I'm fine with a tool that
>>>
>>supports both.
>>
>>>Costin
>>>
>>You guys are so funny.
>>
>>Bike Sheds
>>----------
>>
>>At first, people -1'd the use of Anakia to generate
>>the Jakarta website. But
>>then when I took the effort to make it simple and
>>easy to use and took away
>>the bike shed argument, people adopted it and used
>>it all over the world.
>>
>>On top of it, in *years*, no one has gone and
>>replaced Jakarta-site2 with
>>anything better. Sure, Craig did a XSLT stylesheet,
>>but no one changed the
>>main Jakarta site to use it and I still see new
>>Anakia sites on
>>Sourceforget.net all the time.
>>
>>The next thing to replace jakarta-site2 will be
>>Maven. Just like with
>>Anakia, I honestly don't care if you -1 it. You
>>aren't doing the work and
>>therefore your argument against it is simply a bike
>>shed and is thus not
>>valid in my opinion.
>>
>>Costin, just like with Tomcat 3 vs. Tomcat 4. We all
>>learned that you can't
>>force projects to work together. Nor can you vote -1
>>on it. Given our
>>history, I'm really surprised to hear you trying to
>>argue for something like
>>that. You hypocrite.
>>
>>Learning Technology
>>-------------------
>>
>>The argument about learning minor technologies to
>>make money is so silly it
>>is funny. I have owned/started several companies now
>>and have been
>>responsible for hiring or directly approving the
>>hiring of about 50-60
>>people over the last 10 years. Not a huge amount,
>>but not small either.
>>
>>Never once did I think to myself, hmmm...that person
>>knows minor technology
>>X better than minor technology Y. What I cared the
>>most about was that the
>>person had a general good skill set and the aptitude
>>to learn something new.
>>So, if learning DVSL vs. XSLT is beyond your
>>aptitude, I probably would not
>>have hired you anyway.
>>
>>On top of it, the mentality of having to fit into
>>the box because everyone
>>else is doing it would make me instantly not like
>>your personality. I like
>>people who are free thinkers and who can think
>>outside of the box. Software
>>is an art form, not something that you can just
>>cookie cutter produce (and
>>have it come out being any good). IMHO, it is the
>>free thinkers that have
>>the most creative and bug free code. Thinking
>>outside of the box shows that
>>you care about the code and systems you are
>>creating.
>>
>>People
>>------
>>
>>Needless to say, the attitudes here are becoming
>>more and more familiar.
>>Andrew reminds me of the early days of dealing with
>>Peter Donald (credit to
>>Peter for eventually coming to his senses...I think
>>joining the PMC helped).
>>Steven reminds me of Paulo. Deja vu!
>>
>>:-)
>>
>>-jon
>>
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