> > > >Nope I'm not missing your point. I'm just waiting for the salient points to >come out. This DVSL vs. XSL thing is a complete red herring. You've said: > >[Andy] > >> 2. I'll -1 anything that REQUIRES me to use DVSL if I don't want to. >> And? Youre point? I don't want to use DVSL. So what?
> >and Jon has said: > >[Jon] > >>I can agree with that. Hell, the dvsl vs. xsl is a showstopper for me. >> >>I can't stand XSL... >> > >I'm pretty sure Jon was exaggerating, particularly considering that he >picked up my "bike shed" argument. I suspect you are too. If we want to >see if collaboration is possible, let's put the real issues on the table. >So far I haven't pinpointed any showstoppers, except for people too attached >to the color of their shed. However it's hard to even judge what would make >a showstopper until there's a more concrete proposal. If there are real >discrepencies, let's spell them out. > Its because the only issue is whether the Maven guys will collaborate.. . the rest is all crap. Through collaboration XSL support would be inherent. so thats crap too. > > >One merged project? Let's work out some more detailed proposals before >chasing at shadows. > One merged project + supporting DVSL for those who like DVSL + XSL for those who like standards. I think I've been saying this long enough. . MERGE MERGE MERGE! -Andy > > >> >>Morgan Delagrange wrote: >> >>>I agree with pretty much everything said, although as >>>always Jon words it a tad more strongly than I ever >>>would. :) >>> >>>Let the community decide. If 51% of the developers >>>want to use XSL, or DVSL, then that's what you should >>>use. If you don't like it, prove that your >>>alternative is better. But dropping a whole project >>>because of a detail is needless. >>> >>>- Morgan >>> >>>--- Jon Scott Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>>on 5/2/02 8:44 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Same here, I'll -1 a switch to either maven or >>>>> >>>>centipede on the projects I >>>> >>>>>have a vote on until they find a way to work >>>>> >>>>togheter. >>>> >>>>>DVSL may be a nice language, but XSLT is the >>>>> >>>>standard - regardless of how >>>> >>>>>you play with the word. I'm fine with a tool that >>>>> >>>>supports both. >>>> >>>>>Costin >>>>> >>>>You guys are so funny. >>>> >>>>Bike Sheds >>>>---------- >>>> >>>>At first, people -1'd the use of Anakia to generate >>>>the Jakarta website. But >>>>then when I took the effort to make it simple and >>>>easy to use and took away >>>>the bike shed argument, people adopted it and used >>>>it all over the world. >>>> >>>>On top of it, in *years*, no one has gone and >>>>replaced Jakarta-site2 with >>>>anything better. Sure, Craig did a XSLT stylesheet, >>>>but no one changed the >>>>main Jakarta site to use it and I still see new >>>>Anakia sites on >>>>Sourceforget.net all the time. >>>> >>>>The next thing to replace jakarta-site2 will be >>>>Maven. Just like with >>>>Anakia, I honestly don't care if you -1 it. You >>>>aren't doing the work and >>>>therefore your argument against it is simply a bike >>>>shed and is thus not >>>>valid in my opinion. >>>> >>>>Costin, just like with Tomcat 3 vs. Tomcat 4. We all >>>>learned that you can't >>>>force projects to work together. Nor can you vote -1 >>>>on it. Given our >>>>history, I'm really surprised to hear you trying to >>>>argue for something like >>>>that. You hypocrite. >>>> >>>>Learning Technology >>>>------------------- >>>> >>>>The argument about learning minor technologies to >>>>make money is so silly it >>>>is funny. I have owned/started several companies now >>>>and have been >>>>responsible for hiring or directly approving the >>>>hiring of about 50-60 >>>>people over the last 10 years. Not a huge amount, >>>>but not small either. >>>> >>>>Never once did I think to myself, hmmm...that person >>>>knows minor technology >>>>X better than minor technology Y. What I cared the >>>>most about was that the >>>>person had a general good skill set and the aptitude >>>>to learn something new. >>>>So, if learning DVSL vs. XSLT is beyond your >>>>aptitude, I probably would not >>>>have hired you anyway. >>>> >>>>On top of it, the mentality of having to fit into >>>>the box because everyone >>>>else is doing it would make me instantly not like >>>>your personality. I like >>>>people who are free thinkers and who can think >>>>outside of the box. Software >>>>is an art form, not something that you can just >>>>cookie cutter produce (and >>>>have it come out being any good). IMHO, it is the >>>>free thinkers that have >>>>the most creative and bug free code. Thinking >>>>outside of the box shows that >>>>you care about the code and systems you are >>>>creating. >>>> >>>>People >>>>------ >>>> >>>>Needless to say, the attitudes here are becoming >>>>more and more familiar. >>>>Andrew reminds me of the early days of dealing with >>>>Peter Donald (credit to >>>>Peter for eventually coming to his senses...I think >>>>joining the PMC helped). >>>>Steven reminds me of Paulo. Deja vu! >>>> >>>>:-) >>>> >>>>-jon >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: >>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>> >>>===== >>>Morgan Delagrange >>>http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs >>>http://jakarta.apache.org/commons >>>http://axion.tigris.org >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Do You Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! 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