on 5/3/02 10:04 AM, "Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The Apple Java list has had some complaints recently that Sun don't care
> about Apple users and that Apple can't supply the time to support Java
> users.

Well duh. Apple's business model doesn't revolve around Java.

> Apple are doing a great job, but JAI, J3D, J2ME, J2EE, Jblahblah and all
> the other Sun released APIs which have native parts (J2EE deployer does I
> think) are not available yet. Sun's basic response is to talk to Apple,
> Apple's is: We'll get around to it, it's a lot to do.

I personally try to ignore the native parts simply because that isn't in the
spirit of Java IMHO. What I care about is the implementations of the JDK's.
I want JDK 1.4. I know Apple is working on it.

> Sun are taking most of the flak it seems.

It is that great flaming fireball in the sky and most of the time they
deserve it. :-)

> I wonder what a survey of Jakarta developers coding environments would
> show. If Sun were to discover that 40% of Jakarta committers prefer OS X,
> would that change their opinion etc?

Remember, they are the center of the universe. :-)

> Or is it a, "Yeah, but we care more about the majority of users, ie)
> newbies. "

The FreeBSD port was the overwhelming #1 feature request for a LONG time.
Sun ignored it and even made it difficult to get the port done.

> I can see a good reason for not supporting J2EE well on a Mac. Until Apple
> release a 1U OS X server there's not much point, but the rest are a shame.

Moot point. There are after market cases for 1U servers...

-jon


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