Marc Fluery is (or, at least, comes across as) a jerk with some good ideas. Unlike most folks who have used Tapestry, he didn't ask for clarifications or make suggestions or enter into a dialog ... he made demands. When I asked that he actually participate, he dropped off the list. He's definately more of a hacker, really doesn't like the basic discipline of declaring things before using them, type safety, etc.
I don't always javadoc accessor methods without side effects. I don't javadoc methods in implementations that are fully described in the interface's javadoc. If you look at the online Javadoc, not the code comments, it's pretty darn complete. I have a weak memory, so I always comment as I go (or even comment first). I wouldn't call the site ugly, and the docs *are* online, as HTML, PDF, JavaDoc ... even the code coverage report (which includes source code). There's a "Documentation" tab on the main frame. I haven't worked for Primix in over a year. Primix doesn't exist, they got bought out by a bigger fish, BurntSand. I believe they mostly do Windows stuff, with some ATG thrown in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: Evaluation Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta > So Tapestry seems to have attracted a healthy following and the > attention of such notables as Marc Fleury (Whom I think is a technically > proficient and thoroughly decent okay guy...and he likes altoids more > than I do): > > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=1165034&forum_id=7644 > > There is even potential synergy with another Jakarta project ;-): > > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=1142661&forum_id=7644 > > Oh and they already use stuff from jakarta-commons (as opposed to > apache-commons which is confusing ;-) ) > > The project is pretty active: > > http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/index.php?report=months&group_id=4754 > > There is the inevitable book deal that seems to be all the rage these > days: > > http://tapestry.sourceforge.net/wiki_frame.html > > Hey I think I know that Christian Hall guy from somewhere ;-): > > http://tapestry.sourceforge.net/wiki_frame.html > > I like the code okay, it has Javadoc... There are some methods that > probably should be javadoc'd but aren't.... > > http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/tapestry/Tapestry/framework/s rc/net/sf/tapestry/AbstractPage.java?rev=1.8&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-m arkup > > Their website is ugly and doesn't have their docs directly online: > > tapestry.sourceforge.net > > Notes: > > 1. I didn't actually try and run it, i just looked at all the available > online information.. (Sorry, don't have time to run it, I'm assuming > user testimony is enough) > > Concerns: > > Tapestry started out as Primix foundation.. Is Howard still employed by > Primix... would he still be working on it if he was no longer? > > Tapestry appears to have decent documentation... Do we allow that > around here? ;-) > > My biggest concern is they want to start following the "Apache way" > after moving here. In my opinion they have enough contributors, etc. > I'd like to see them start voting and the such first, then reevaluate > once they've been doing it a few months. They might also want to > investigate a home at JBoss if Apache doesn't work out. I know those > guys are expanding. > > All in all, as much as I don't really care for PULL methods... This > seems to be a healthy community, it seems to be reasonably well in line > with Jakarta, and I think it would be a good fit. > > So for whats its worth +0 from me, and +1 if they start following the > voting rules/etc in advance then move here. > > If they do that I will volunteer to help them out with bringing them > into the fold and all, although I'm not a member. > > -Andy > > On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 09:35, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: > > I don't have a way to qualify this, but I'm very concerned about growing the > > community, and therefore I'm very careful not to be arbitrary. Everything > > is a discussion, and I prefer that person X be happy with the ultimate > > decision, preferably agreeing with it. > > > > I've tried to before to spur more organization, but that didn't really get > > started. The problem is, developers are too happy, I think. The framework > > does mostly what they need, bugs fixes and improvements happen, so there > > hasn't been a need to get involved. A move to Jakarta will *force* a few > > people (and I know who they are) to step forward, since other wise, by the > > rules, nothing will actually happen. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 9:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta > > > > > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 02:06, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: > > > "Benevolent dictatorship". Probably should have expanded on this. > > Without > > > a formal comittee or voting system, I've reserved the right to ultimately > > > decide what goes into the framework and what doesn't. > > > > Start changing now. I don't know how long it will be before you come to > > Apache > > but there is no harm and considerable benefit in moving to this model IMHO. > > It would also enhance your chances of making it into Apache. > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > > > Peter Donald > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Logic: The art of being wrong with confidence... > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:general-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> > > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:general-help@;jakarta.apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:general-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> > > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:general-help@;jakarta.apache.org> > > > -- > http://www.superlinksoftware.com - software solutions for business > http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document in > Java > http://krysalis.sourceforge.net/centipede - the best build/project > structure > a guy/gal could have! - Make Ant simple on complex Projects! > The avalanche has already started. 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