Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?

[Andrew C. Oliver]

O'brien, Tim wrote:

A non-member, non-commiter, doc patch submitter with three questions here,

Would this Wiki be limited to those with commit status?
If not, how does this jive with the whole merit-based Apache-way?

Does a public wiki have any legal ramifications for ASF? If Wiki is open to
the public and someone puts GPL'd or copyrighted material on Wiki, who would
bear responsibility?

Lets not start with the FUD.. If it happens, we'll remove them.
What if someone puts the detailed information on how to produce Anthrax, and hides the
secret location of Osama Bin Ladin in a patch submitted which also brilliantly makes Velocity run 300x faster than it does
currently so that we have to choose between making the CIA happy or velocity running fast...
Wiki's self regulate. You'll see.
Lets not What if problems that don't exist. Go see http://www.wikipedia.org/ and http://c2.com/cgi/wiki to see what can happen
and on what scale, without those things being a problem...
Lets be eXtereme just for this and have courage.

If wikis are dangerous then Ward Cunningham is an evil evil man.

-Andy

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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:26 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?


+1

Sam, do you or someone have the abillity/will to give me sufficient rights to install a small cgi script on an apache webserver somewhere with filesystem access?
If not, what about servlet engine + database access?

If so. I will select one based on ease of maintenence, setup, "security" and set it up by the end of next week.

Thank you,

-Andy

Tom Copeland wrote:

Love 'em. Let's pick one and set it up... they're very cool....

tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Rodney Waldhoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:36 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: A Jakarta wiki?


On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Scott Eade wrote:

So how about some feedback:
1. Wiki's - love 'em or hate 'em?

Love 'em, and think they would provide (a) a good way to

write ad hoc

documentation, (b) a good way to host certain discussions.
At my day job
we use an internal wiki for documentation almost exclusively, and
sometimes as an effective public brainstorming tool. (And we're fairly
centrally located--for distributed, asynchronous discussion a wiki is even
more useful.)

2. JSPWiki - good choice or bad choice?

Never used it, so no real opinion, although there seem to be
a number of
wiki's that are much more popular (perhaps not in java though). There's a
big list of wiki impls on Ward's Wiki at
<http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines>, of course.

(Most wiki clones, JSPWiki included, seem to be GPLed, if
that matters to
anyone.)

3. Scope of the wiki(s) - ((Turbine) and (Avalon)), Jakarta

or Apache?

I'd like to see a wiki with at least jakarta scope.

One option might be to use a wiki that supports "namespaces", or a federation of wikis with intra-wiki links, so that one

could create a

"sub-wiki" per project but still support "global" cross-linking.

For example, a intra-wiki link might look like
Turbine:OracleHowTo versus
plain ol' OracleHowTo.

Alternatively, a simple convention of prefixing the project
name might be
sufficient for a shared wiki namespace, but might need support from some
WikiGnomes.

4. Hosting - apache.org or external

Something internal would seem official.

5. Timing - now, soon, later or never

Soon.


If I can use this wiki (or this makes it easier to set up
another wiki)
for other jakarta/apache projects, I'd be more than happy

to help out

however I can. Please keep me posted, either via

jakarta-general, by

pointing out where this discussion is happening, or via a

direct note.

- Rod


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