Again, I watch, and prod.... Andrew, Wiki is a good idea - I've got OJB docs to publish asap. Getting a committer to notice doc patches can be difficult (programmers rarely love to stop and write detailed, grammatically correct documentation - we're all guilty).
I was merely asking if anyone had given a thought to the question of legal issues and how they relate to Wiki + ASF. I think that it is a reasonable question, and I was surprised that no one had raised this issue. Audit trail...? It is important to keep reminding yourself that Apache is a corporation of Delaware, and it is subject to real IP law. If you've been watching some of the dev lists I've been watching, there have been some small copyright violations of late that, luckily, have been settled amicably. This coupled with the fact that ASF wants to start raising more operational funds (Attachment A, November board minutes), makes legal questions very important. I'd ask you to look up the word "indemnity", and meditate. You want FUD? Open source software has *very* well funded enemies. :-( PS: You are right about Wiki's effective self regulation, I'm astonished that Wikipedia still adheres to the neutrality policy on topics that deal with current events - (if only major world conflicts could be settled on Wiki?). I started a Wikipedia page on Jakarta, it is sparse, and hardly accurate SO FIX IT: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_Project -------- Tim O'Brien > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 8:26 PM > To: Jakarta General List > Subject: Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki? > > > O'brien, Tim wrote: > > >A non-member, non-commiter, doc patch submitter with three questions > >here, > > > >Would this Wiki be limited to those with commit status? > > > >If not, how does this jive with the whole merit-based Apache-way? > > > >Does a public wiki have any legal ramifications for ASF? If Wiki is > >open to the public and someone puts GPL'd or copyrighted material on > >Wiki, who would bear responsibility? > > > > > Lets not start with the FUD.. If it happens, we'll remove them. > > What if someone puts the detailed information on how to > produce Anthrax, > and hides the > secret location of Osama Bin Ladin in a patch submitted which also > brilliantly makes Velocity run 300x faster than it does > currently so that we have to choose between making the CIA happy or > velocity running fast... > > Wiki's self regulate. You'll see. > Lets not What if problems that don't exist. Go see > http://www.wikipedia.org/ and http://c2.com/cgi/wiki to see > what can happen and on what scale, without those things being > a problem... > > Lets be eXtereme just for this and have courage. > > If wikis are dangerous then Ward Cunningham is an evil evil man. > > -Andy > > >-------- > >Tim O'Brien > >W 847-574-2143 > >M 847-863-7045 > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:26 PM > >>To: Jakarta General List > >>Subject: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki? > >> > >> > >>+1 > >> > >>Sam, do you or someone have the abillity/will to give me sufficient > >>rights to install a small cgi script on an apache webserver > >>somewhere with filesystem access? > >> > >>If not, what about servlet engine + database access? > >> > >>If so. I will select one based on ease of maintenence, setup, > >>"security" and set it up by the end of next week. > >> > >>Thank you, > >> > >>-Andy > >> > >>Tom Copeland wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Love 'em. Let's pick one and set it up... they're very cool.... > >>> > >>>tom > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: Rodney Waldhoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>>>Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:36 PM > >>>>To: Jakarta General List > >>>>Subject: Re: A Jakarta wiki? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Scott Eade wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>So how about some feedback: > >>>>>1. Wiki's - love 'em or hate 'em? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Love 'em, and think they would provide (a) a good way to > >>>> > >>>> > >>write ad hoc > >> > >> > >>>>documentation, (b) a good way to host certain > discussions. At my day > >>>>job we use an internal wiki for documentation almost exclusively, > >>>>and sometimes as an effective public brainstorming tool. (And > >>>>we're fairly > >>>>centrally located--for distributed, asynchronous discussion a > >>>>wiki is even > >>>>more useful.) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>2. JSPWiki - good choice or bad choice? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Never used it, so no real opinion, although there seem to be a > >>>>number of wiki's that are much more popular (perhaps not in java > >>>>though). There's a > >>>>big list of wiki impls on Ward's Wiki at > >>>><http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines>, of course. > >>>> > >>>>(Most wiki clones, JSPWiki included, seem to be GPLed, if that > >>>>matters to > >>>>anyone.) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>3. Scope of the wiki(s) - ((Turbine) and (Avalon)), Jakarta > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>or Apache? > >>>> > >>>>I'd like to see a wiki with at least jakarta scope. > >>>> > >>>>One option might be to use a wiki that supports "namespaces", or a > >>>>federation of wikis with intra-wiki links, so that one > >>>> > >>>> > >>could create a > >> > >> > >>>>"sub-wiki" per project but still support "global" cross-linking. > >>>> > >>>>For example, a intra-wiki link might look like > Turbine:OracleHowTo > >>>>versus plain ol' OracleHowTo. > >>>> > >>>>Alternatively, a simple convention of prefixing the project name > >>>>might be sufficient for a shared wiki namespace, but might need > >>>>support from some > >>>>WikiGnomes. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>4. Hosting - apache.org or external > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Something internal would seem official. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>5. Timing - now, soon, later or never > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Soon. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>If I can use this wiki (or this makes it easier to set up another > >>>>wiki) for other jakarta/apache projects, I'd be more than happy > >>>> > >>>> > >>to help out > >> > >> > >>>>however I can. Please keep me posted, either via > >>>> > >>>> > >>jakarta-general, by > >> > >> > >>>>pointing out where this discussion is happening, or via a > >>>> > >>>> > >>direct note. > >> > >> > >>>>- Rod > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>>><mailto:general-> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>For > >>>>additional commands, > >>>>e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>-- > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>> > >>> > >><mailto:general-> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > >>>For > >>> > >>> > >>additional commands, > >>e-mail: > >> > >> > >>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >><mailto:general-> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>For > >>additional commands, > >>e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:general-> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >For > additional commands, > e-mail: > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:general-> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For > additional commands, > e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
