Comments below. On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 21:41 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, James Mason wrote: > > > Henri, > > > > Looks good. Big improvement, I think :). I especially like how the third > > column brings more information "above the status bar". A few comments: > > Thanks :) > > > 1) The first paragraph sounds more like it's describing the ASF than > > describing Jakarta. A suggestion: > > > > ------------------------- > > The Jakarta Project offers a diverse set of open source Java solutions > > and is a part of [The Apache Software Foundation] (ASF). Like all ASF > > [projects] Jakarta encourages a collaborative, consensus-based > > development process under an [open software license]. > > ------------------------- > > It actually is meant to be describing the ASF :) To cut down on text, I > threw away 'jakarta, like all ASF, encourages...' to the simpler 'ASF > encourages'. It's just as true and uses less space. I'd like to dump 'for > all its projects' to be honest, but didn't want to lose the link to the > ASF Project page. > > It's tempting to chop the last 4 words and add a ASF link on the right, > together with the other ASF ones, under a new heading of About Apache or > something.
How important is it to put the projects link right in text? I like the way it reads without the last four words, so if it works to put the link elsewhere I think it would be good. > > > 2) The first sentence of the second paragraph seems awkward to me. It's > > not immediately apparent why that information is useful. If I don't know > > what a TLP is it doesn't really help me, and if I'm looking for a TLP > > that used to be part of Jakarta it doesn't tell me how to find it. > > Unfortunately I haven't been able to come up with a better wording. > > Hopefully someone else is feeling inspired :). > > Two big parts I'm looking for in this paragraph. > > 1) Jakarta = umbrella project. I don't want to say umbrella as that's an > odd metaphor to the uninitiated. How about "parent"? > > 2) Definition of graduating, attempt at an explanation of why projects are > no longer to be found in Jakarta (a common user confusion I think). The > TLP acronym isn't highly important (at first I thought it was good to get > it accross, but it's too much info). Linking to the bit above, I could > dump the TLP acronym and make this the link to the ASF project page. Hmmm... How about "Jakarta shepherds?? many [subprojects], many of which have grown and [graduated] into top level ASF [projects]". Some synonyms for shepherds: guides, oversees, supervises, watches over, is responsible for. I think it would be good to link to the list of graduated projects from the text. > > > 3) "Graduated" on the left needs to be in the context of a noun. Maybe > > swapping the left and right columns (leaving "About" on the left) and > > making the right column "Projects" with subheadings of "Subprojects" and > > "Graduated"? That might take up too much space, though. > > Gah! Much as I want to scoff at the suggestion for the pain it causes, I > think you're right, to be correct it should be a noun. > > Putting the projects on the right was an option, but I think that > consumers will mostly want to click through to a subproject, rather than > any other link there and the LHS is the prime navigation spot. > > It also matches the www.apache.org approach, which is nice for the > symmetry of a user clicking through and not having to adjust their > navigation flow. Looking at apache.org, how about moving the About Jakarta section to the right. This would parallel the Foundation section on apache.org. What I was thinking of for projects is something like: +----------------+ |=Projects=======| +--Subprojects---+ | * Alexandia | | * etc... | +--Graduated-----+ | * Ant | | * etc... | +----------------+ I have two concerns with this: It takes up more space and nothing else uses subheadings. It does put Graduated into context with a noun, though. > > Possibly I could change Graduated to Graduated Subprojects? Seems a bit > long. 'Graduates' seems wrong. Looking for a good label here :) > > > 4) Removing the margin from the <ul> that makes up the news would help > > spread that section out a bit. > > Yep. I'm going to hassle a few web designers I know on spacing issues once > I've updated the XSL build to output this site. All their suggestions will > involve CSS, so I'll need to have a CSS sheet by then I suspect. If you need a hand here, let me know. Part of my day job is web design. -James > > Thoughts? > > Hen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
