On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Martin Cooper wrote:
On 3/5/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
All (90%?) of the navel gazing comes down to one binary question. Should
Jakarta be a community, or a community of communities. Are we Jakarta
committers, or ORO committers.
It should be what it is. As I just wrote in another message (on commons-dev,
I think), you can't make a community into something other than what it has
grown into organically.
Agreed - that's why I'm not JFDI as one piece of advice I've received
suggests. I'm also trying to avoid it being manipulation - I could have
pushed each item one at a time in most-likely-to-be-accepted order. That
would have been a lot easier, but too machiavellian.
Least I'm trying to not be doing that :) Thus emails about long term ideas
etc. More confusing to the community, but less manipulative.
I'm not tied to any of the things I'm suggesting - except the strong
belief that Jakarta as a community of communities cannot work. So I'm
definitely in favour of more shared site and less individual site - I'm in
favour of a flat Jakarta, both in terms of SVN acces and not allowing
subprojects of subprojects (ie: Jakarta Velocity-DVSL, not Jakarta
Velocity DVSL); I'm in favour of sharing the decisions - rather than
having a slice of the PMC informing the main PMC of their decision.
Agreed - most/all of this will seem backwards if someone takes the view of
community of communities as opposed to single community.
And there you have the nub of my objections to all this manipulation of
communities.
Stepping further back than the community question - do you think the
current Jakarta community of communities is healthy? Do you think there
are ways that an umbrella (in the negative sense of the word) can continue
to grow (in health rather than size) within the ASF?
It's possible it's just me wanting to make the chair role a non-fulltime
job.
Hen
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