Henri Yandell wrote: > I'm not tied to any of the things I'm suggesting - except the strong > belief that Jakarta as a community of communities cannot work. So I'm > definitely in favour of more shared site and less individual site - I'm > in favour of a flat Jakarta, both in terms of SVN acces and not allowing > subprojects of subprojects (ie: Jakarta Velocity-DVSL, not Jakarta > Velocity DVSL); I'm in favour of sharing the decisions - rather than > having a slice of the PMC informing the main PMC of their decision.
It just seem to me to be impossible to imagine a commons-betwixt developer caring about velocity-tools, or a taglibs-foo developer caring about bcel. There is no community in common.
In commons we care about a broad range of different projects. But the degree to which we care about components other than our own has reduced over time (roughly inverse proportional to the number of components).
So yes, in the past I was gung-ho about commons taking over the whole of Jakarta. Now I recognise commons can barely manage itself, let alone any more projects. Size matters.
(In fact, commons often behaves as multiple communities already. Its natural and organic. I'm embracing it by proposing Jakarta Language Components.)
At some point a recognition needs to occur that hierarchy is not evil. We are all developers. We group things into hierarchies naturally. If you flattened all the turbine components on the home page of jakarta all you'd be doing is forcing the reader to group them. The turbine components will always 'belong to' Turbine.
In summary, I believe we are many communities, not one. What unites us is our size, in that each individual community is too small to stand alone as a TLP. There is the *potential* to build a cross-Jakarta community in *addition* to our smaller communities, but it requires care and nurturing. Perhaps a single jakarta-user ML, or a forum are the places to start.
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