On 5/22/07, Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Quick summary of this thread 28 Votes for (23 binding), 4 against (3
binding). Seems to me that those objecting don't seem to have
pursuaded people to change their vote. At what point do we decide on a
result?

I think you just did :) Definitely a consensus in favour of the resolution.

The negative opinions in the thread then started moving in the
direction of other ideas. My preference is for a single-community
Jakarta, I think the time has come to finish the job - however if that
looks like it's never going to come then I think the best thing is for
Commons to go TLP.

Here's what I think could happen:

If willing, ECS, ORO, Regexp moving into Commons. Probably move ECS
into maintenance immediatley but that's a different story. Both dev
and user mailing lists to merge in.

I think JCS, BCEL and BSF should also all move into Commons if
willing; with the intention of moving them to TLP if they grow. I
think BSF is a good TLP on paper, but some more time 'incubating' will
be valuable and that'll be better in the relatively small move to
Jakarta-Commons. Dev lists should merge in, user lists could stay
outside I think (assuming some level of activity currently).

Taglibs is currently discussing a good chunk of internal clean-up.
We'll retire most of the taglibs and focus on three. Much like BSF, I
think the future for Taglibs could easily be folding into Commons or
going TLP if it more activity. Again, fold dev into commons, keep user
separate. The devs there already have high overlap with Commons.

--- up til this point was the easy bit :)

Http Components is much the same as Taglibs/BSF, but less overlap and
less interested in returning to Commons. I think it would do well to
follow the same course (merge dev list, different user list, keeping
an eye on TLP in the future if growth).

* Slide. There's some sign of activity here. Not enough yet.

* Cactus. Tiny bit of activity, again not enough for a TLP.

* JMeter. Lots of commits from Sebb, but not a big community.

For all three of these the best solution I can think of is to move
them to the Incubator. Keep the lists where they are, move the svn,
move the websites. They need to be thinking TLP, they need to get
community.

--

If that, or something like it, sounds like a good consensus plan, then
I'm definitely more in favour of that than Commons going to TLP. There
are really only four steps:

Step 0: Consensus.
Step 1: Move 3 projects to the Incubator.
Step 2: Move other projects into Commons.
Step 3: Re-establish Jakarta PMC - we'd use pretty much the same
resolution we just voted on here.

So the question is; is the above direction worth discussing, or should
we just go with the Commons TLP.

Hen

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