actually i dunno what to say....
maybe its our life style as what khamis said
bas i agree with ahmad about changing ability
guys we can change...
but if u dont wanna change it up to u then...
maybe most of u is happy of what he have...
i dunno if i should say sorry for my offer to help (since that i dont know the LUG members that well as khamis said)...
actually iam thinking of start a new thing like the JOLUG
but for JAVA programing language :D
but when i feel its the right time....
thanx khamis for ur email
and i was waiting ur email and for yamman 2, but he didnt show up i dunno y ...
enjoy ur meeting, inshalla i try to come...
peace
On 6/3/05, Ahmad Abu Gharbieh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
well.. i find khamis right in most of what he said.. we r a lazy
community we learned that at schools and unis this is totally corect..
but we can change..
any way if this is what most of the luggers think then thats fine we
will keep the situation the way it is...
personally i wanted to help when i first joned the lug but i wasnt
that much into linux!! ya3ni when i used to sit with u guys i used to
find my self understanding nothing from what ur talking about!!!!
im better now of course but still. the core members r the most prof.
among us so if they think it wont work (they had their experience)
lets keep it this way and we will enjoy the meetings...
On 6/3/05, Khamis Siksek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Well, to start this email could be offensive to some people so i start
> with saying sorry to all and do not take it personal it is just a
> "point of view".
>
> This is a very long email so you can discarded since it has nothing
> important in it ...
>
> As i see our LUG has failed from the days of ITU, and it was in the
> ICU for a long time, and finally it died peacfully.
>
> During the days of ITU many people tried to do many things, we build
> our website, and used the wiki system to make it possible for everyone
> to edit the pages and help in improving our website, and what happened
> is only 4-5 people was editing the website and decreased to 1 then to
> 0.
>
> People came to the ITU lectures just expecting to take and not to give
> and around 98% of the attendees didn't want to give. We have a
> cultural issue, we have been raised to depend on others and to be
> feded the information, this is the way schools and universities work
> here in Jordan. No one wants to read or try things, and when we wanted
> to hold people responsible for that a war started are we committed or
> not.
>
> Well, we had an idea that we have to build this LUG based on what you
> said, but people doesn't want to be responsible and almost everyone
> avoided to hold the responsibilities, and even if he accepted to do
> what he was asked to do he doesn't do it.
>
> Well, we are a lazy culture and we already have our personal issues
> and our personal things to do, well, i personally prefer to play cards
> more than to edit our website, especially when i return back to home
> at 8 pm, i want to eat, enjoy my time, and spend sometime with the
> family so i do NOT have time for this LUG and i am sure that most of
> you has the same issue
>
> As Aram said, if we are going to pay fees then i need to expect
> something for that money that i paid, and with this type of mentality
> and style of life (of all of us) the people who are going to pay money
> will get disappointed because they are going to get nothing in return.
>
> For a steering committy to work it needs people to steer, and if there
> will be responsibilities then the steering committy is going to steer
> itself, so it is not going to work.
>
> Amer i am not asking you to be realistic, but since you didn't attend
> so much meetings then you don't know the people who are in the LUG
> already and you don't really know what we need and how can we succeed.
> You are like someone who consults NASA to go to the sun without having
> any idea about the astronomy.
>
> All of the people who comes to the social meetings are enjoying the
> meetings and having fun, and we personally wants to keep it that way,
> if you do not like that, you can start your own LUG and do it the way
> you like and you may have people who likes to join you, and you don't
> know if you succeeded we may join you too.
>
> That been said, i am sorry for anyone who got upset and i am sorry for
> saying the truth in that way, and as i said before, this is a free
> world who doesn't like it can start doing it his own way and we all
> wish him luck and success.
>
> Best regards,
>
> On 6/2/05, Jad Madi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i'm with fees, but I'm against khawa fees, I think it should be lali
> > bedo yedfa3 yedfa3
> >
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>
> Khamis Siksek
>
> When they thought of finding another name for FreeSoftware, they
> thought of OpenSource and KhamisSiksek ...
> .
> .
> .
> They chose the wrong one :-(
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