> You, yourself, indicated that you prefer collaborative Wiki efforts [A],
I said I prefer the J Wiki for collaborative efforts. I did not say that I prefer collaborative Wiki efforts. > (As a side note, why did you initiate this policy? Have > you even had an experience where an un-ACL'd page was ruined or > vandalized by a legitimate Wiki user?) Yes. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Bron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:02 Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Contribution? To: General forum <[email protected]> > Roger suggested: > > http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj/032/falkoff.pdf > > I love reading Ken's papers. Or maybe just old APL > material in general. Every time I do, I gain a new insight > or appreciation of J. For example, while reading Table 1: > "Notation" on pp 200 of that paper, one reads: > > > Operation // Notation // Definition > Absolute value > // z <- | x > // z -: maximum of z and -2 > > which points out the equivalence of the monad | and > the hook >. - . That is, absolute value > can be expressed as (>. -) for real numbers. > > Roger, is it really neccesary to ACL the Essay pages? You, > yourself, indicated that you prefer collaborative Wiki efforts > [A], but you actively prohibit such collaboration by ACL'ing > Essays you've "contributed". In fact, I do not even agree > that wiki pages should indicate authorship (see, e.g., the > essay "A Fine Line" which I initiated [B]; it contains no > attribution. That was intentional: I sought to encourage > others to expand upon it). > > In particular, today I found that you'd ACL'd the biliography, > which prevented me from adding a page anchor to a specific > biliographic entry. Now I can't link directly to the the > entry for "A Formal Description of System/360"; I must either > link to the top of the Bibliography Essay and let the reader > slog through all the entries until he finds the relevant title, > or link directly to the paper, which defeats the purpose of > having a J biliography at all. > > This is not the first time the ACLs you've added have frustrated > me. Usually, I don't even want to make changes to the > content of these pages; your efforts would not be sullied by my > editing; I merely want to make trivial, grammatical, or > format changes (as in this case, where I want to add an anchor > tag). > > As another example: in some of the reports I've submitted to > System/Interpreter/Bugs, I've made spelling or grammar mistakes, > which I don't notice at the time. But later on, reviewing > the archived bug reports, the errors are glaring and personally > embarrassing. But, since you've ACL'd the bug archives, I > cannot correct them. They're cast in stone, and available > for the whole world to see. > > I ask you to reconsider your policy on ACLing. The Wiki is > a collaborative effort. Pages for which you want sole > control and complete credit, can be created as sub-pages under > /RogerHui. That way you wouldn't even need the > "contributed by" tags; both the page titles and URLs would > declare your authorship to the world. > > (As a side note, why did you initiate this policy? Have > you even had an experience where an un-ACL'd page was ruined or > vandalized by a legitimate Wiki user?) > > > -Dan > > [A] http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/general/2007- > October/031091.html[B] > http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Essays/A_Fine_Line ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
