On 10/19/07, Roger Hui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You, yourself, indicated that you prefer collaborative Wiki efforts [A], > > I said I prefer the J Wiki for collaborative efforts. I did not say > that I prefer collaborative Wiki efforts.
Clarity, followed by: > (As a side note, why did you initiate this policy? Have > > you even had an experience where an un-ACL'd page was ruined or > > vandalized by a legitimate Wiki user?) > > Yes. Succinctness. Second the motion herein. ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan Bron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:02 > Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Contribution? > To: General forum <[email protected]> > > > Roger suggested: > > > http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj/032/falkoff.pdf > > > > I love reading Ken's papers. Or maybe just old APL > > material in general. Every time I do, I gain a new insight > > or appreciation of J. For example, while reading Table 1: > > "Notation" on pp 200 of that paper, one reads: > > > > > > Operation // Notation // Definition > > Absolute value > > // z <- | x > > // z -: maximum of z and -2 > > > > which points out the equivalence of the monad | and > > the hook >. - . That is, absolute value > > can be expressed as (>. -) for real numbers. > > > > Roger, is it really neccesary to ACL the Essay pages? You, > > yourself, indicated that you prefer collaborative Wiki efforts > > [A], but you actively prohibit such collaboration by ACL'ing > > Essays you've "contributed". In fact, I do not even agree > > that wiki pages should indicate authorship (see, e.g., the > > essay "A Fine Line" which I initiated [B]; it contains no > > attribution. That was intentional: I sought to encourage > > others to expand upon it). > > > > In particular, today I found that you'd ACL'd the biliography, > > which prevented me from adding a page anchor to a specific > > biliographic entry. Now I can't link directly to the the > > entry for "A Formal Description of System/360"; I must either > > link to the top of the Bibliography Essay and let the reader > > slog through all the entries until he finds the relevant title, > > or link directly to the paper, which defeats the purpose of > > having a J biliography at all. > > > > This is not the first time the ACLs you've added have frustrated > > me. Usually, I don't even want to make changes to the > > content of these pages; your efforts would not be sullied by my > > editing; I merely want to make trivial, grammatical, or > > format changes (as in this case, where I want to add an anchor > > tag). > > > > As another example: in some of the reports I've submitted to > > System/Interpreter/Bugs, I've made spelling or grammar mistakes, > > which I don't notice at the time. But later on, reviewing > > the archived bug reports, the errors are glaring and personally > > embarrassing. But, since you've ACL'd the bug archives, I > > cannot correct them. They're cast in stone, and available > > for the whole world to see. > > > > I ask you to reconsider your policy on ACLing. The Wiki is > > a collaborative effort. Pages for which you want sole > > control and complete credit, can be created as sub-pages under > > /RogerHui. That way you wouldn't even need the > > "contributed by" tags; both the page titles and URLs would > > declare your authorship to the world. > > > > (As a side note, why did you initiate this policy? Have > > you even had an experience where an un-ACL'd page was ruined or > > vandalized by a legitimate Wiki user?) > > > > > > -Dan > > > > [A] http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/general/2007- > > October/031091.html[B] > > http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Essays/A_Fine_Line > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > -- Use Reply-To: & thread your email after the first: or it may take a while, as I get 2000 emails per day. -- Roy A. Crabtree UNC '76 gaa.lifer# (For TN contact, email me to set up a confirmed date/time) voicemail inbound only [When you hear/read/see/feel what a y*ehudi plays/writes/sculpts/holds] [(n)either violinist {Menuhin} (n)or writer {"The Y*ehudi Principle"} (n)or molder (n)or older] [you must strive/think/look/sense all of it, or you will miss the meanings of it all] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Forwards only to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: auto to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be short < 160 chars cuts off; currently offline [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: auto to ^ http://www.authorsden.com/royacrabtree http://skyscraper.fortunecity.com/activex/720/resume/full.doc -- (c) RAC/IP, ARE,PRO,PAST (Copyright) Roy Andrew Crabtree/In Perpetuity All Rights/Reserved Explicitly Public Reuse Only Profits Always Safe Traded ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
