I note that this violates the instructions.  Dr. Grace Murray Hopper would
love this;
although I understand her desire for English language style languages:

   I fundamentally disagree with COBOL the idea that COBOL is one of them,

   and absolutely agree with Dr. KEI''s usage of _natural_language_ as the
basis for J,

   as well as the attitudes, and more importantly, philosophy of the
resulting community of

       language designers, users, and experimenters

   not the least of which being RH, and his quietly reflective Socratic
method of teaching newbies.

   Thanx, Dan: you bring the focus back on a seminal point of the underlying
_athema_ that makes J work:

        thinking first.


On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Henry Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Finds primes less than y.  It took me about 1 minute.
> I did check with the interpreter before posting this message.
>
> Henry Rich
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Bron
> > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:05 PM
> > To: General forum
> > Subject: [Jgeneral] How readable is J?
> >
> > So, we often hear complaints that J is terse to the point of
> > being cryptic.  That it is unreadable.  Let's see if that's true.
> >
> > Here's a piece of J code I adapted from some APL I came
> > across on the net:
> >
> >      (#~ ] -.@:e. [: , */~)@:(2 + i.)
> >
> > It's a monad whose input is a scalar integer.  What is its
> > output?  What does the verb do?
> >
> > Now, no cheating:  if J is a notation, then we should be able
> > to read it without the aid of the interpreter.  Don't
> > experiment to deduce its function; don't even validate your
> > hypothesis in the interpreter.  Just work one out and post it here.
> >
> > You might also post how long it took you to work out, and
> > maybe what your thought process was.  Or post a
> > counter-challenge -- perhaps slightly more difficult.
> >
> > I'm thinking of involving other communities in this game, so
> > if you have a favorite non-J language, you could also
> > translate this function into that language (using its natural
> > style) and post that, too.  Whatever you feel like.
> >
> > -Dan
> >
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