Sorry typo in duplicating 1. Чтв, 01 Дек 2011, bill lam писал(а): > I suspect most untested/unfixed labs are either, > > 1. can run under J7 unchanged or with trivial fixes, > or > 1. run unchanged or with trivial changes under J7 > or > 2. must be rewritten for GTK/JHS because they contain gui using wd commands. > > Срд, 30 Ноя 2011, Ian Clark писал(а): > > Oh, okay, now I understand... > > > > The present situation arises largely out of the fact there's a backlog > > of untested labs. > > > > When (if) someone clears this backlog, then there's a prime use of a > > lab which I'd like to emphasise. As a test-script which is integral to > > the suite of files of an addon, as svn sees it. Leaving aside all the > > wonderful things we might do with labs (and don't) -- this to me > > justifies the whole lab apparatus, if nothing else does. > > > > In j602 to release an update to an addon, for the sake of argument > > call it math/uu, it's only necessary to update uu.ijs and > > manifest.ijs, both in the math/uu folder. To update a test script > > (which also serves as a robust introduction to the addon's use), it > > suffices to add one more file to this list: uu.ijt, in the same > > folder. Svn's "commit" automatically ensures that the updated lab is > > made available in menu Studio > labs. This is so painless that it gets > > done (because the coder is likely to use it himself as an acceptance > > test of the update), where a separate step to update independent user > > help material might not always get done, no matter how awesome that > > help material is (or was). > > > > In all my career I've never come across a tighter, simpler, more > > practical and reliable scheme for binding help material to the code, > > as an integral part of the development cycle. Oh I've heard of lots of > > schemes, but never had the good fortune (misfortune?) to use them. One > > scheme, would you believe, writes the help first and tries to generate > > the code from it. That brainwave is as old as I am: it gets reinvented > > every five years or so. > > > > Please let us recognise the primality of this application of labs -- > > as test scripts doubling as user intro -- and strive to preserve the > > functionality to enable it to live on. Is the very existence of a > > backlog of un-fixed labs in j7 such a surprise when you discover that > > updating labs is not as easy in j7 as it is in j6? > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:15 PM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The labtext.txt in jgtk can disable individual labs that do not work in > > > J701. All labs are enabled now to make it easier for the J community to > > > help testing labs. After testing is over, we can again filter using > > > labtext. > > > > > > Втр, 29 Ноя 2011, Ian Clark писал(а): > > >> Both are capable of being fixed -- even if it's only to give helpful > > >> error messages. > > >> > > >> Why don't JHS and JGTK use the same method of updating & finding their > > >> labs? And where exactly was the pain for the user in j602's way of > > >> doing it? > > >> > > >> 2011/11/29 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: > > >> > The other is not good if it tells you about a file should be there and > > >> > it > > >> > is not there. > > >> > > > >> > In JHS the scan guaranties that if it is reported it is there. > > >> > > > >> > Less administration and easier to move things around and create new. > > >> > > > >> > 2011/11/29 Ian Clark <[email protected]> > > >> > > > >> >> It is not "nice" if it causes puzzling behavior for a new user. Like > > >> >> having to quit and restart after installing addons (with no mention > > >> >> anywhere of the need to do this). > > >> >> > > >> >> 2011/11/29 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: > > >> >> > That is the GTK behavior I guess > > >> >> > > > >> >> > I like the JHS way much better. > > >> >> > It is more flexible and nice. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > 2011/11/29 Ian Clark <[email protected]> > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> Yes, the labs concerned are present in their ~addons/math/ folders. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> And when I copy them to: ~addons/labs/labs/math/ -they appear in > > >> >> >> the > > >> >> >> dropdown on restarting j64-701 and work fine. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> They are also listed correctly (?) in: ~addons/config/config.ijs > > >> >> >> (which ensures their appearance in the Labs menu in j602) --but I > > >> >> >> guess JHS isn't currently using that? > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Eric Iverson < > > >> >> [email protected]> > > >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> > I think JHS labs gets it list from the contents of > > >> >> >> > ~addons/labs/labs. > > >> >> If > > >> >> >> > you are seeing some labs and they are working perhaps your labs > > >> >> weren't > > >> >> >> > included in the jal update of labs. As a start verify the labs > > >> >> >> > your > > >> >> want > > >> >> >> > are in your addons folder. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Ian Clark > > >> >> >> > <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> No, Björn, the labs are just not there. I know what they look > > >> >> >> >> like, > > >> >> >> >> 'cos I wrote 'em. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> 2011/11/28 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: > > >> >> >> >> > The list of labs in JHS is a bit tricky to understand. > > >> >> >> >> > The name you see is not the name of the file but the name of > > >> >> >> >> > the > > >> >> lab > > >> >> >> you > > >> >> >> >> > see in the beginning of the file. > > >> >> >> >> > Open a lab and you see what is there. > > >> >> >> >> > It is a great tool to use as a teaching tool and so easy to > > >> >> >> >> > work > > >> >> with. > > >> >> >> >> > Just change the contents of a file and you have a new lab. > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > 2011/11/28 Ian Clark <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> Even after restarting, there are labs (viz. cal.ijt and > > >> >> >> >> >> uu.ijt) > > >> >> which > > >> >> >> >> >> I see have been downloaded and apparently installed > > >> >> >> >> >> (i.e they are listed in ~addons/labs/labs/lablist.txt and > > >> >> >> >> >> ~addons/config/config.ijs) -yet do not appear in the Labs > > >> >> dropdown. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Just where does jhs get the contents of the labs dropdown > > >> >> >> >> >> from? > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> 2011/11/28 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: > > >> >> >> >> >> > When you start JHS it scans for the ijt files and it does > > >> >> >> >> >> > not > > >> >> find > > >> >> >> >> them > > >> >> >> >> >> > before you do the install of the addons. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > So if you create a new ijt file you need to restart the > > >> >> >> >> >> > JHS so > > >> >> it > > >> >> >> will > > >> >> >> >> >> find > > >> >> >> >> >> > it. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > After that you can change the file and it will read the > > >> >> >> >> >> > changes > > >> >> >> just > > >> >> >> >> >> > restart the lab and no need to restart JHS > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > 2011/11/28 Ian Clark <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> There are two downloads for the Mac, and I've just tried > > >> >> >> >> >> >> the > > >> >> same > > >> >> >> >> >> >> steps with the other one: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> JVERSION > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Engine: j701/2011-01-10/11:25 build: Feb 6 2011 16:16:29 > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Library: 7.01.043 > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Platform: Darwin 64 > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Installer: j701a_mac64.dmg > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> InstallPath: /Applications/j64-701 > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> In this version I'm pleased to confirm that studio > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> labs... > > >> >> works > > >> >> >> >> just > > >> >> >> >> >> >> fine. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Björn says: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > After installing the labs you restart JHS server and > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > refresh > > >> >> the > > >> >> >> >> >> browser. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> I didn't do that for j64-701 -- and it still worked. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> However, taking the hint, I've gone back to j701 (32-bit) > > >> >> >> >> >> >> and > > >> >> >> >> >> >> restarted both the server and the jijx browser page. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Now studio > labs... works in j701 also !! > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> I've no way of telling whether it was due to restarting > > >> >> >> >> >> >> j701, > > >> >> or > > >> >> >> >> >> >> running j64-701 successfully in-between. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Ian Clark < > > >> >> [email protected] > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Coming back to j701 jhs after a long break, I have > > >> >> reinstalled > > >> >> >> it > > >> >> >> >> >> afresh: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > JVERSION > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Engine: j701/2011-01-10/11:25 > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Library: 7.01.040 > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Platform: Darwin 32 > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Installer: j701a_mac_intel.dmg > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > InstallPath: /Applications/j701 > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > I next installed all addons by typing: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > install 'all' > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Pacman (accessed via menu: link > jal) confirms that all > > >> >> addons > > >> >> >> are > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > installed and up to date. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > However, menu: studio > labs --does not work and gives > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > the > > >> >> >> message: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > --- > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > No labs installed. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Do pacman studio/labs install and try again. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Labs are interactive tutorials and are a good > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > way to learn J. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Labs are not always current with the latest system > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > and may run with minor errors that can be ignored. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > --- > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Do labs actually work yet in jhs? Or has something > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > recently > > >> >> >> broken? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Gary Robinson < > > >> >> [email protected]> > > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I am trying J for the first time this morning. I > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> quickly got > > >> >> >> hung > > >> >> >> >> up > > >> >> >> >> >> >> though, because the installation docs suggest trying > > >> >> Studio|Labs. > > >> >> >> >> When I > > >> >> >> >> >> >> try to access it, it says > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No labs installed. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do pacman labs/labs install and try again. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If I type > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pacman labs/labs install > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> into the J console, nothing seems to happen. And if I > > >> >> >> subsequently > > >> >> >> >> >> try > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Studio|Labs again, I get the same error message as before. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Anyone have any ideas? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gary Robinson > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> CTO > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Emergent Discovery, LLC > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> personal email: [email protected] > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> work email: [email protected] > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Company: http://www.emergentdiscovery.com > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Blog: http://www.garyrobinson.net > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> For information about J forums see > > >> >> >> >> >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> >> >> >> >> For information about J forums see > > >> >> >> >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > -- > > >> >> >> >> >> > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur > > >> >> >> >> >> > Fornustekkum II > > >> >> >> >> >> > 781 Hornafirði, > > >> >> >> >> >> > t-póst: [email protected] > > >> >> >> >> >> > gsm: +3546985532 > > >> >> >> >> >> > twitter: @flugfiskur > > >> >> >> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari > > >> >> >> >> einfaldleikans > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari > > >> >> >> >> >> > af > > >> >> skónum > > >> >> >> >> >> > /|_ .-----------------------------------. > > >> >> >> >> >> > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | > > >> >> >> >> >> > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | > > >> >> >> >> >> > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | > > >> >> >> >> >> > ( -. | `-----------------------------------' > > >> >> >> >> >> > | ) | (\_ _/) > > >> >> >> >> >> > (`-. 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