Both are capable of being fixed -- even if it's only to give helpful error messages.
Why don't JHS and JGTK use the same method of updating & finding their labs? And where exactly was the pain for the user in j602's way of doing it? 2011/11/29 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: > The other is not good if it tells you about a file should be there and it > is not there. > > In JHS the scan guaranties that if it is reported it is there. > > Less administration and easier to move things around and create new. > > 2011/11/29 Ian Clark <[email protected]> > >> It is not "nice" if it causes puzzling behavior for a new user. Like >> having to quit and restart after installing addons (with no mention >> anywhere of the need to do this). >> >> 2011/11/29 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: >> > That is the GTK behavior I guess >> > >> > I like the JHS way much better. >> > It is more flexible and nice. >> > >> > 2011/11/29 Ian Clark <[email protected]> >> > >> >> Yes, the labs concerned are present in their ~addons/math/ folders. >> >> >> >> And when I copy them to: ~addons/labs/labs/math/ -they appear in the >> >> dropdown on restarting j64-701 and work fine. >> >> >> >> They are also listed correctly (?) in: ~addons/config/config.ijs >> >> (which ensures their appearance in the Labs menu in j602) --but I >> >> guess JHS isn't currently using that? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Eric Iverson < >> [email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > I think JHS labs gets it list from the contents of ~addons/labs/labs. >> If >> >> > you are seeing some labs and they are working perhaps your labs >> weren't >> >> > included in the jal update of labs. As a start verify the labs your >> want >> >> > are in your addons folder. >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> No, Björn, the labs are just not there. I know what they look like, >> >> >> 'cos I wrote 'em. >> >> >> >> >> >> 2011/11/28 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: >> >> >> > The list of labs in JHS is a bit tricky to understand. >> >> >> > The name you see is not the name of the file but the name of the >> lab >> >> you >> >> >> > see in the beginning of the file. >> >> >> > Open a lab and you see what is there. >> >> >> > It is a great tool to use as a teaching tool and so easy to work >> with. >> >> >> > Just change the contents of a file and you have a new lab. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 2011/11/28 Ian Clark <[email protected]> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Even after restarting, there are labs (viz. cal.ijt and uu.ijt) >> which >> >> >> >> I see have been downloaded and apparently installed >> >> >> >> (i.e they are listed in ~addons/labs/labs/lablist.txt and >> >> >> >> ~addons/config/config.ijs) -yet do not appear in the Labs >> dropdown. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Just where does jhs get the contents of the labs dropdown from? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2011/11/28 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: >> >> >> >> > When you start JHS it scans for the ijt files and it does not >> find >> >> >> them >> >> >> >> > before you do the install of the addons. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > So if you create a new ijt file you need to restart the JHS so >> it >> >> will >> >> >> >> find >> >> >> >> > it. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > After that you can change the file and it will read the changes >> >> just >> >> >> >> > restart the lab and no need to restart JHS >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > 2011/11/28 Ian Clark <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> There are two downloads for the Mac, and I've just tried the >> same >> >> >> >> >> steps with the other one: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> JVERSION >> >> >> >> >> Engine: j701/2011-01-10/11:25 build: Feb 6 2011 16:16:29 >> >> >> >> >> Library: 7.01.043 >> >> >> >> >> Platform: Darwin 64 >> >> >> >> >> Installer: j701a_mac64.dmg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> InstallPath: /Applications/j64-701 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In this version I'm pleased to confirm that studio > labs... >> works >> >> >> just >> >> >> >> >> fine. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Björn says: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > After installing the labs you restart JHS server and refresh >> the >> >> >> >> browser. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I didn't do that for j64-701 -- and it still worked. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> However, taking the hint, I've gone back to j701 (32-bit) and >> >> >> >> >> restarted both the server and the jijx browser page. >> >> >> >> >> Now studio > labs... works in j701 also !! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I've no way of telling whether it was due to restarting j701, >> or >> >> >> >> >> running j64-701 successfully in-between. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Ian Clark < >> [email protected] >> >> > >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > Coming back to j701 jhs after a long break, I have >> reinstalled >> >> it >> >> >> >> afresh: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > JVERSION >> >> >> >> >> > Engine: j701/2011-01-10/11:25 >> >> >> >> >> > Library: 7.01.040 >> >> >> >> >> > Platform: Darwin 32 >> >> >> >> >> > Installer: j701a_mac_intel.dmg >> >> >> >> >> > InstallPath: /Applications/j701 >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > I next installed all addons by typing: >> >> >> >> >> > install 'all' >> >> >> >> >> > Pacman (accessed via menu: link > jal) confirms that all >> addons >> >> are >> >> >> >> >> > installed and up to date. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > However, menu: studio > labs --does not work and gives the >> >> message: >> >> >> >> >> > --- >> >> >> >> >> > No labs installed. >> >> >> >> >> > Do pacman studio/labs install and try again. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Labs are interactive tutorials and are a good >> >> >> >> >> > way to learn J. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Labs are not always current with the latest system >> >> >> >> >> > and may run with minor errors that can be ignored. >> >> >> >> >> > --- >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Do labs actually work yet in jhs? Or has something recently >> >> broken? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Gary Robinson < >> [email protected]> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I am trying J for the first time this morning. I quickly got >> >> hung >> >> >> up >> >> >> >> >> though, because the installation docs suggest trying >> Studio|Labs. >> >> >> When I >> >> >> >> >> try to access it, it says >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No labs installed. >> >> >> >> >> >> Do pacman labs/labs install and try again. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If I type >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pacman labs/labs install >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> into the J console, nothing seems to happen. And if I >> >> subsequently >> >> >> >> try >> >> >> >> >> Studio|Labs again, I get the same error message as before. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Anyone have any ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gary Robinson >> >> >> >> >> >> CTO >> >> >> >> >> >> Emergent Discovery, LLC >> >> >> >> >> >> personal email: [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> work email: [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> Company: http://www.emergentdiscovery.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Blog: http://www.garyrobinson.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> For information about J forums see >> >> >> >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> For information about J forums see >> >> >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> >> > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur >> >> >> >> > Fornustekkum II >> >> >> >> > 781 Hornafirði, >> >> >> >> > t-póst: [email protected] >> >> >> >> > gsm: +3546985532 >> >> >> >> > twitter: @flugfiskur >> >> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari >> >> >> einfaldleikans >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af >> skónum >> >> >> >> > /|_ .-----------------------------------. >> >> >> >> > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | >> >> >> >> > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | >> >> >> >> > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | >> >> >> >> > ( -. | `-----------------------------------' >> >> >> >> > | ) | (\_ _/) >> >> >> >> > (`-. 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(='.'=) ♖♘♗♕♔♙ >> >> >> >> > `. )----' (")_(") ☃☠ >> >> >> >> > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> > For information about J forums see >> >> >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> For information about J forums see >> >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur >> >> >> > Fornustekkum II >> >> >> > 781 Hornafirði, >> >> >> > t-póst: [email protected] >> >> >> > gsm: +3546985532 >> >> >> > twitter: @flugfiskur >> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari >> >> einfaldleikans >> >> >> > >> >> >> > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum >> >> >> > /|_ .-----------------------------------. >> >> >> > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | >> >> >> > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | >> >> >> > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | >> >> >> > ( -. | `-----------------------------------' >> >> >> > | ) | (\_ _/) >> >> >> > (`-. 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(='.'=) ♖♘♗♕♔♙ >> >> >> > `. )----' (")_(") ☃☠ >> >> >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> > For information about J forums see >> >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> For information about J forums see >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > For information about J forums see >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur >> > Fornustekkum II >> > 781 Hornafirði, >> > t-póst: [email protected] >> > gsm: +3546985532 >> > twitter: @flugfiskur >> > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming >> > >> > >> > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari einfaldleikans >> > >> > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum >> > /|_ .-----------------------------------. >> > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | >> > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | >> > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | >> > ( -. | `-----------------------------------' >> > | ) | (\_ _/) >> > (`-. '--.) (='.'=) ♖♘♗♕♔♙ >> > `. )----' (")_(") ☃☠ >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > > > -- > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur > Fornustekkum II > 781 Hornafirði, > t-póst: [email protected] > gsm: +3546985532 > twitter: @flugfiskur > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming > > > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari einfaldleikans > > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum > /|_ .-----------------------------------. > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | > ( -. | `-----------------------------------' > | ) | (\_ _/) > (`-. '--.) 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