On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:33:19 +0800 Jian-feng Ding <[email protected]> said:
> Carsten, > > All the embarrassings you are talking about just does not exist :) > > Current Tizen pkg build is self-hosted, both ARM and IA, both 32bit and > 64bit. > > Current problem we are talking about is the developers' working distro, not > the Tizen runtime:) if the DEVELOPERS DISTRO were tizen... and it SHOULD be, and tizen cannot be build on a 32bit system because 32bit support were to be REMOVED (ie qemu bugs with 32bit memory space)... then they are. :) > thanks > - jf.ding > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 06:23:37PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 08:28:06 +0300 Leon Anavi <[email protected]> said: > > > > > Hi Daniel, Carsten, All, > > > > > > On 2013-09-23 03:46, Daniel Juyung Seo wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Carsten Haitzler > > > >> imagine if all the engineers and executives etc. at bmw drove fords > > > >> because > > > >> "bmw's can't manage to get us to the office without breaking down". > > > > > > > > Awesome analogy. > > > > > > > > I am also against dropping 32 bit system support for dev tools. > > > > > > > > I bet many people I know use 32 bit system yet. > > > > > > > > > > The example with the cars is nice but I don't think it's very > > > appropriate. In my opinion it is fine to drop 32-bit support although I > > > still keep 32-bit distributions on some of my older computers. > > > > > > Today nobody uses 16-bit OS for development of Tizen and in long term I > > > don't expect anybody to be using 32-bit. So dropping 32-bit support is > > > just a matter of time. Almost all of the CPU for personal computers > > > produced in the last 5 years are with 64-bit instruction sets. The > > > majority of developers (including me) that still have 32-bit OS on some > > > computers actually have a compatible 64-bit hardware and just have to > > > replace the OS and the dev environment with a 64-bit version. > > > > 64bit os's come with a major cost in memory footprint for pointers... it's > > quite measurable. and that doesn't change the fact that: > > > > 1. arm is STILL 32bit and will be for a long time still. if tizen can't be > > built ON an arm platform (which is 32bit) then it can't self-host on arm... > > which is embarrassing. > > 2. reality is that on x86 we likely might support 32bit tizen simply due to > > the memory footprint issues, and there is still x32 which is 32bit address > > space WITH 64bit instructions for max perf and best footprint. if we can't > > work on x32 or ix86 we can't self host. embarrassing. > > 3. you do know that intel mobile chips (for tablets/phones) are not 64bit > > still (i thought baytrail may support 64bit in at least some configs, but > > older ones... no 64bit, and baytrail devices as best i know are still not > > shipping as of today)... :) again - if we can't self host on these... > > embarrassing. > > > > :) > > > > > Best regards, > > > Leon > > > > > > -- > > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[email protected]> > > _______________________________________________ > > General mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.tizen.org/listinfo/general > -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[email protected]> _______________________________________________ General mailing list [email protected] https://lists.tizen.org/listinfo/general
