Artem, Thanks for your feedback and clarification. We will update the survey questions to avoid confusions.
thanks - jf.ding On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:42:34PM +0300, Artem Bityutskiy wrote: > Hi JF, > > there is a lot of confusion in this thread about what are you going to > do and why. > > And frankly, the announcement is guilty in that. You did not carefully > and nicely explain what exactly you do, and why exactly, and which users > would be affected and how exactly. > > I suggest you guys to come up with a new good survey description. Make > sure it answers the above questions. Also, go through this thread, find > out what confused people, and make sure you have a Q&A section in your > new survey, and the section clears the confusion. > > Thanks! > > P.S. What I found out from talking to people, _not_ from the announce: > > 1. The intended change _only_ affects mic and gbs, nothing else. > 2. The change is about stopping producing i586 mic and gbs builds. Other > tools will still have i586 builds. > 3. The change _does not_ mean that mic/gbs won't be able to generate > i586 images. > 4. On the opposite, x86_68 mic/gbs _will_ be able to generate i586 > images. > 5. So this will only limit people in choosing their _build host_, not > the _target Tizen OS_. > > Right? > > On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 17:33 +0800, Jian-feng Ding wrote: > > Carsten, > > > > All the embarrassings you are talking about just does not exist :) > > > > Current Tizen pkg build is self-hosted, both ARM and IA, both 32bit and > > 64bit. > > > > Current problem we are talking about is the developers' working distro, not > > the Tizen runtime:) > > > > thanks > > - jf.ding > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 06:23:37PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 08:28:06 +0300 Leon Anavi <[email protected]> said: > > > > > > > Hi Daniel, Carsten, All, > > > > > > > > On 2013-09-23 03:46, Daniel Juyung Seo wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Carsten Haitzler > > > > >> imagine if all the engineers and executives etc. at bmw drove fords > > > > >> because > > > > >> "bmw's can't manage to get us to the office without breaking down". > > > > > > > > > > Awesome analogy. > > > > > > > > > > I am also against dropping 32 bit system support for dev tools. > > > > > > > > > > I bet many people I know use 32 bit system yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The example with the cars is nice but I don't think it's very > > > > appropriate. In my opinion it is fine to drop 32-bit support although I > > > > still keep 32-bit distributions on some of my older computers. > > > > > > > > Today nobody uses 16-bit OS for development of Tizen and in long term I > > > > don't expect anybody to be using 32-bit. So dropping 32-bit support is > > > > just a matter of time. Almost all of the CPU for personal computers > > > > produced in the last 5 years are with 64-bit instruction sets. The > > > > majority of developers (including me) that still have 32-bit OS on some > > > > computers actually have a compatible 64-bit hardware and just have to > > > > replace the OS and the dev environment with a 64-bit version. > > > > > > 64bit os's come with a major cost in memory footprint for pointers... it's > > > quite measurable. and that doesn't change the fact that: > > > > > > 1. arm is STILL 32bit and will be for a long time still. if tizen can't > > > be built > > > ON an arm platform (which is 32bit) then it can't self-host on arm... > > > which is > > > embarrassing. > > > 2. reality is that on x86 we likely might support 32bit tizen simply due > > > to the > > > memory footprint issues, and there is still x32 which is 32bit address > > > space > > > WITH 64bit instructions for max perf and best footprint. if we can't work > > > on > > > x32 or ix86 we can't self host. embarrassing. > > > 3. you do know that intel mobile chips (for tablets/phones) are not 64bit > > > still (i thought baytrail may support 64bit in at least some configs, but > > > older ones... no 64bit, and baytrail devices as best i know are still not > > > shipping as of today)... :) again - if we can't self host on these... > > > embarrassing. > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Leon > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[email protected]> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > General mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.tizen.org/listinfo/general > > _______________________________________________ > > General mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.tizen.org/listinfo/general > > -- > Best Regards, > Artem Bityutskiy > _______________________________________________ General mailing list [email protected] https://lists.tizen.org/listinfo/general
