On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:56:28 -0700 Matt Turner <matts...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:17 AM, wraeth <wra...@wraeth.id.au> wrote: > > > > I feel that it is inappropriate for criticisms of contributor's > > work to be broadcast on a mailing list that is read not only by the > > developer community, but by users as well, without their consent. > > This is not a case where I am particularly embarrassed or upset - > > if others can learn from my mistakes, then they are mistakes I am > > happy to make (preferably only once). But doing so publicly, with > > identifying information, is inappropriate. > > Good grief. Seriously? > > Mailing list review is the *norm* in the free software world. > Oh, the norm > I haven't seen anything noted that should have caused embarrassment. > Nor I. > This whole thing, as far as I can see, is about improving the quality > of Gentoo. I have learned from the reviewers reviewing my commits and > the commits of others. The you haven't been embarrassed or demeaned or nitpicked. So far. Good. > It's extremely valuable to do this in public > and the idea that noting an error on a public mailing list is somehow > bad is simply misguided. > You throw your opinion on that of a user offering his personal reaction. What do you want here? Users to comply to your perspective and fit in? Users to tough out the exposure to full public view even if they don't like it? Once and for all this is a review put onto recipients whether they wanted it or not without their request or consent. A key aspect of learning is that the informative experience be made a positive one. This user is not alone. These self appointed educators have background in technical prowess and that's all. Quite simply, dishing out lessons that make users cringe and recoil is counter productive. This exercise is about educating, so these educators had better get their heads around some the fundamental requirement to command respect from their target audience. To date they have managed to deliver their product as they see fit. Now they get the feedback that follows from delivering their lessons. These educators have already started to learn some lessons of their own. An intrinsic aspect of the flow of teaching / educating is the impact of teacher behaviour upon their learners and a teacher's responsibility as an educator to deal with it productively. What's happening here? Teacher says take it because I gave it to you,now be quiet ? This is not a captive audience. It's an immediately convenient one. Educators snubbed by their students are not educators. At least not effective ones. These students are so by nature of their own voluntary participation. They have the option of rejecting these lessons at their whim. -- kind regards Ian Delaney
