[geo] Re: NYTimes.com: No Climate Change Leader as Nations Prepare to Meet

[John Nissen]

Title: Re: [geo] Re: NYTimes.com: No Climate Change Leader as Nations Prepare to Meet

Hi Gene, This article seems OK. http://www.earth-policy.org/index.php?/book_bytes/2009/pb3ch01_ss3 Cheers, John Eugene I. Gordon wrote: With similar absence of respect  I would argue that a distinguished career and past accomplishment are no protection against being wrong or worse. I am a superb example.   Current news reports are suggesting we are doing anything but walking the walk; just talking the talk.   -gene   From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com [mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike MacCracken Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 11:32 AM To: Geoengineering Subject: [geo] Re: NYTimes.com: No Climate Change Leader as Nations Prepare to Meet   No disrespect intended, but I would suggest that, given his career and past accomplishments and efforts, Lester Brown’s views (see http://www.earth-policy.org/) merits a great deal of consideration. Mike MacCracken *** On 9/20/09 10:41 AM, "esubscript...@montgomerycountymd.gov" <euggor...@comcast.net> wrote: This is total BS. His last line gives it away. We are not walking anywhere. We ride. “Stabilizing the earth's climate is a complex undertaking and fraught with risk. If the United States leads -- and does so boldly -- I believe the world will follow.” What value is the author’s belief; just another blowhard? Why should the world follow the U.S.; they got out of that habit some time ago because we are no more than big BS artists like the author. In any case they do not have the money to follow.   The current reasons for reduced oil consumption are the economy and cost of oil. Longer term we will focus on security and cost of foreign involvement. It is politics and it has little to do with good sense. If we could harness the hot air coming out of Washington and from authors like this we would have all the energy we need.   His statement about electric vehicles is insanity. The electric power cost for an electric car is 3-4 cents per mile. The battery replacement cost for the batteries, (limited deep discharge cycles; a cost not associated with other motive sources), is 37.5 cents per mile so anyone using an EV is really paying 40 cents per mile versus 12 cents per mile (equivalent to gasoline at $1.25 a gallon) with a Prius. And if we were really serious we could halve that using a hybrid with a gas turbine generator getting 100 mpg. The technology has been proven.   From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com [mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike MacCracken Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:56 AM To: Peter Read; Geoengineering Subject: [geo] Re: NYTimes.com: No Climate Change Leader as Nations Prepare to Meet The situation is hopefully not quite so hopeless. See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/18/AR2009091801143.html   On Energy, We're Finally Walking the Walk By Lester R. Brown Sunday, September 20, 2009 Mike *** On 9/20/09 6:58 AM, "Peter Read" <pre...@attglobal.net> wrote: E-Mail This  <http://www.nytimes.com/>  <http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?type=goto&opzn&page=www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/science/earth&pos=TopRight-EmailThis&sn2=65192d3/561f2559&sn1=dcb1d65c/835343f3&camp=foxsearch2009_emailtools_1011077b_nyt5&ad=Adam_88x31_b_nowplaying&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Efoxsearchlight%2Ecom%2FAdam> This page was sent to you by: pre...@attglobal.net Message from sender: more cheerful stuff Peter SCIENCE / ENVIRONMENT | September 20, 2009 No Climate Change Leader as Nations Prepare to Meet  <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/science/earth/20nations.html?emc=eta1> By NEIL MacFARQUHAR As nations gather for a major summit meeting on climate change, none want to take the lead in fighting for significant international targets. 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