Hi all

I can write with all the authority of someone who has made a great many 
arithmetical mistakes and has learned painfully that when you are 
dealing with big numbers in a new field it helps to stay in base units 
for as long as possible and to make many small steps which are easily 
checked. I offer the following bit of MathCad.



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Peter Read wrote:
> Re
> "RWL: Ken is speaking here to Stephen Salter's grazing land estimate of
> 5E15 m2, which (I agree) seems to be a factor of 100 too large (because
> there are 100 ha in a sq km??)"
> And
> (Ken)" Therefore, we will need about 1.2 * 10^14 m2 or the same order of
> magnitude as all of the land in the world."
>
> Let's get the notation straight (and I might be wrong as it is sometime
> since I was instructed)
> But YeX means Y times 10 raised to the power of X  (OK??**)
> So, for example 1.4e2 means 140
> Using "^" to mean "raised to the power of"
> Then there are 1e4 m^2 per Ha (and 1e2Ha per Km^2  hence 1e6 m^2 per 
> Km^2 )
> [[ which seems OK given that K means 1^3 and 1^3 x 1^3 = 1^6 ]]
>
> It is tiresome that GigaHectares (GHa), or billions of Hectares, which 
> are
> usually used in working with global land areas, embody the 1e4 factor 
> of Ha
> relative to m^2, but that's how it is
> Giga means 1e9 so a GHa is 1e13 m^2
> According to Wiki  global land area is 148,940,000 Km^2 = 
> 14,894,000,000 Ha
> or ~15 Gha = 1.5e14 m^2
>
> So grazing and pasture broadly interpreted as about one third of that is
> 5e13 m^2
> Looks as though Ken is out by a factor of 10 and Lovell Ward quoted by
> Stephen by 100
>
> I strongly recommend GHa since, as there are only 15 of them, a mental
> reality check is not too difficult
>
> Re Ken's : "Normal ecosystem efficiencies are typically around 0.5 %. 
> If we
> assume average sunlight at ground at 200 W/ m2, we get 1 W/m2 ecosystem
> rates of producing reduced carbon."
>
> Net global terrestrial fixation of ~60GtC/yr. = ~ 120Gt dry biomass/yr  =
> ~1800 EJ/yr at 15GJ/t dry biomass = 1.8e21(J/yr)/3e7(seconds/yr)=0.6e14W.
> 0.6e14W/1.5e14m^2 = 0.4W/m^2 = 0.2 per cent of 200.  As I said before,
> nature doesn't do very well
>
> Normal management of eucalypt forestry in well watered tropical 
> regions gets
> 25 dry biomass tons/Ha /yr or 400GJ/Ha yr (I believe 80 dry tons/Ha-yr is
> the record with a bit of TLC at research establishments in Brazil).
> 400e9J/ha-yr)/(1e4m^2/Ha*3e7 seconds/yr) = ~1.3W/m^2
> (Not 0.4 --  as I said before, nature doesn't do very well).  With a 
> bit of learning by doing we can likely get it up to 2W/m^2
>
> 2Gha*400GJ/Ha-yr = 800EJ/yr cf global commercial energy demand of about
> 500EJ/yr
> Which 2GHa?.  Well Len Ornstein has given us 1.6GHa of irrigated desert
> (maybe use the spare 300 EJ to pump the desalinated water up)
> Maybe pump salt water up and let evaporation do the trick as suggested 
> recently, then recuperating some of the energy as the brine flows back 
> to sea level
> And there's that 5Gha of grassland though I guess some of that is
> near-desert and we mustn't double count
>
> Yes Ken, these things look pretty stupendous.  But facing up to 
> dealing with excess CO2 in the cheapest way available (growing trees, 
> and later running a biofuel economy) makes one realize how silly it is 
> to try to fix the problem by costly emissions reductions.  Remember, 
> Ornstein's desalination and irrigation , stupendous though it seems, 
> is cheaper than CCS (though I'm sure CCS has an important role to 
> play).  Putting 330Gt C into the atmosphere-ocean over the last 2 
> centuries has left us with a stupendous problem
>
> Simon
> re "- Peter, in discussing the numbers you said of agricultural wastes 
> "If
> the lot were pyrolyzed" which strikes me as a pretty big if. "
> Yes of course.  I was merely showing that there is a lot of it about 
> even before we start growing more. I would like to see it put into a 
> biodigester to extract methane for on the farm/village scale use, then 
> some residue pyrolyzed for char and more energy and then mixed with 
> the rest of the digester residue to put back on the land. But no doubt 
> others will have better ideas - more research, but that does not mean 
> delaying doing good for want of knowing how to do best
>
> Peter
>
> PS  **Beginning to feel a bit nervous about all this I again resort to 
> Wiki
> to
> find
> ""Most calculators and many computer programs present very large and very
> small results in scientific notation. Because superscripted exponents 
> like
> 10^7 cannot always be conveniently represented on computers, 
> typewriters and
> calculators, an alternative format is often used: the letter E or e
> represents times ten raised to the power, thus replacing the x 10n. ""
> OK??
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Larson" 
> <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Stephen Salter" <[email protected]>; "Manu Sharma"
> <[email protected]>; "Peter Read" <[email protected]>;
> <[email protected]>; "geoengineering" <[email protected]>;
> <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [geo] Re: Grass root answer to Ken's question
>
> [[snipped - PR]]
>
>

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