What if the intent is to measure the effect, rather than to modify the climate? Or to measure the ability to deliver an effect, as in an engineering test?
And further, how would anyone know what intent someone holds? A On 23 Mar 2015 03:43, "Caroline Masiello" <masie...@rice.edu> wrote: > It sure sounds like this would apply to biochar, too. But what about the > "intent" text? Is it legal if you apply biochar with the intention of > conserving water, but not if you apply it to manage climate? > > Carrie > > Dr. Caroline Masiello > Professor, Earth Science > Joint: BioSciences and Chemistry > 713•348•5234 > > > > > On Mar 22, 2015, at 8:15 PM, "Hawkins, Dave" <dhawk...@nrdc.org> wrote: > > The bill is broadly drafted. > If it passed, presumably the Department of Environmental Management would > adopt rules creating categorical exemptions from the requirement to apply > for a permit. Also, presumably, these exemptions would include residential > and commercial landscaping activities. > That said, it is a bit ironic that a bill apparently constraining tree > planting has been introduced that seems much more sweeping than what I > assume are existing state laws constraining cutting down of trees. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 22, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Greg Rau <gh...@sbcglobal.net< > mailto:gh...@sbcglobal.net <gh...@sbcglobal.net>>> wrote: > > According to their definition, yes, Ken, you are under arrest: > "(6) "Geoengineering" means activities specifically and deliberately > designed to effect a change in the area climate, with the intent or purpose > of minimizing or masking anthropogenic climate change, including global > warning. Such actions may include, but are not limited to, the following: > > (i) Attempts to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere; and > > (ii) Solar radiation management or cloud whitening, or similar process > whereby aerosols, particles, chemicals, gases, vapors, or other compounds > are injected into the atmosphere to reflect a portion of the sun's > radiation back into space. " > > I would also warn Rhode Islanders about the use of fertilizer. If we get > any inkling that you are adding nutrients to plants for the purpose of > increasing CO2 removal and storage, you will be met with the full force of > the law. This goes double for soil liming. Don't even think about doing > this in the ocean. Meanwhile, continue to emit CO2 to your heart's content. > > Greg > > Sent from the Rau's iPad > > On Mar 22, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Ken Caldeira <kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu< > mailto:kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu <kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu>>> > wrote: > > > If this is real and not a joke, and it passes in its present form, it > seems as if someone in Rhode Island could potentially be fined and > imprisoned for planting a tree with the intent of absorbing carbon dioxide > from the atmosphere. > > _______________ > Ken Caldeira > > Carnegie Institution for Science > Dept of Global Ecology > 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA > +1 650 704 7212 kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu< > mailto:kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu <kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu>> > website: http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/ > blog: http://kencaldeira.org<http://kencaldeira.org/> > @KenCaldeira > > My assistant is Dawn Ross <dr...@carnegiescience.edu< > mailto:dr...@carnegiescience.edu <dr...@carnegiescience.edu>>>, with > access to incoming emails. > Postdoc positions available in my group: > https://jobs.carnegiescience.edu/jobs/dge/ > > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Hester, Tracy <tdhes...@central.uh.edu< > mailto:tdhes...@central.uh.edu <tdhes...@central.uh.edu>>> wrote: > > We now have possibly the first state proposed legislation in the United > States to control climate engineering efforts. A bill (H-5480) was > recently introduced in the Rhode Island legislature that would require any > climate engineering efforts to undergo an approval process and two (at > least) public hearings. The bill would impose fines and up to 90 days > imprisonment for each day that the unapproved climate engineering > continues. The bill also gives Rhode Island's environmental agency the > ability to enjoin and halt an unapproved project. > > If you’d like to get more details, you can review the bill itself at > http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText15/HouseText15/H5480..pdf > > These local initiatives might pop up in other state legislatures if > climate engineering research gains momentum (especially after the NAS > reports last month). If so, the prospect of overlapping or conflicting > regulations from multiple states will often spur the federal government to > impose its own consolidated regulatory scheme to preempt the state efforts. > > > Professor Tracy Hester > University of Houston Law Center > 100 Law Center > Houston, Texas 77204 > 713-743-1152<tel:713-743-1152> > tdhes...@central.uh.edu<mailto:tdhes...@central.uh.edu > <tdhes...@central.uh.edu>> > Web bio: www.law.uh.edu/faculty/thester< > http://www.law.uh.edu/faculty/thester> > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com< > mailto:geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>>. > To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com< > mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com <geoengineering@googlegroups.com>>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com< > mailto:geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>>. > To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com< > mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com <geoengineering@googlegroups.com>>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com< > mailto:geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>>. > To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com< > mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com <geoengineering@googlegroups.com>>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > !DSPAM:3532,550f6927312921904721019! > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. 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