Could you provide a citation for the established link? Thanks, Greg Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:37 AM, Andrew Lockley <andrew.lock...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There's an established link between SRM and CDR, via increasing ocean > acidification by dissolution. > > MCB would seem to be more directly effective than SRM, as nearly 100pc of its > effects go into cooling the ocean surface and lower Tropospheric air over the > ocean. > > Has anyone modelled this? If not, can someone please put it on their "to do' > list? > > A > >> On 5 Jul 2017 06:22, "Ronal W. Larson" <rongretlar...@comcast.net> wrote: >> Greg, cc list: >> >> 1. Thanks for alerting us on 1 July to the cloudiness-CDR-related >> message found at the Russ George website >> (http://russgeorge.net/2017/07/01/greatest-uncertainty-in-climate-change-models-is-diminishing-cloudiness/ >> ). I hope others can chime in on the validity of the strong relationship >> George asserts between phytoplankton and clouds. Is this as important as >> the much discussed SRM option involving ships spraying salt particles to >> help form clouds? >> >> 2. Your brief cite from Russ George refers to “a new paper” - which >> (free and 9 pages) can be found at >> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2017EF000601/epdf, entitled: >> “Could geoengineering research help answer one of the biggest questions >> in climate science?” >> with first author Robert Wood. The “biggest question” is of course >> related to cloud formation as stated in your quote below from Russ George. >> >> 3. I was amazed at the many messages at the George site that relate to >> geoengineering and this cloud topic (and NOT to Russ George’s fame with >> OIF = Ocean Iron Fertilization). Examples of cites that I found relating >> to this cloud-plankton topic: >> >> a. >> https://www.atmos.washington.edu/~robwood/papers/geoengineering/Wood_Ackerman_CLIMATICCHANGE_2013.pdf >> (A predecessor to the above “biggest question” paper. >> >> b. >> https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/60/9/722/238034/Microalgae-The-Potential-for-Carbon-Capture >> A 2010 article by Sayre (recommended by Russ George): >> >> c. https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/features/clouds-plankton a >> short free 2014 more non-technical contribution on the sulfur aspects. >> >> d. James Lovelock in a later book ‘The Revenge of Gaia’ in 2006, refers >> to his Anti-CLAW Hypothesis. CLAW comes from four last names - with L for >> Lovelock. This shows that this is not a new topic. I hope some on the >> list with a real background (I have none) can give other opinions on how >> seriously we should take Mr. George’s views on plankton-clouds-climate (as >> opposed to plankton and increased salmon production). >> >> 4. I suspect there could be a biochar side to this cloud aspect of >> ocean biomass - and possibly even to phytoplankton. I suspect you have >> probably given us this cite to agree with Ross George that the geo aspect >> deserves study. I am not expecting you or anyone on this list to agree that >> this should promote biochar. In fact, his emphasis on missing dust would >> say that biochar’s emphasis on increased “green-ness” is evidence that >> biochar should make less dust most likely. But I can also argue that >> biochar from ocean biomass (placed on land, not in the ocean) could/might >> more than offset the “dust-free” negative aspect of land-based biochar. Of >> course it opens the possibility of a much larger supply than available from >> the 28 % of the earth’s surface NOT ocean. >> >> 5. I also found the George message comparing the Sustainable >> Development Goals (SDGs) #14 (oceans) and #15 (land) to be particularly >> disturbing from a combined CDR/SRM perspective. Mr. George is particularly >> upset about the UN system doing too little with #14 (oceans). I believe >> you agree - and could be (?) the reason for your message below. This >> concern about SDG #14 (brand new to me) is on much more than this >> relationship between plankton and clouds - and could be worth considerable >> discussion by this list - as CDR might look more possible with a bigger >> supply. So this is a very separate reason for thanking you for your 1 July >> message below. I’ll send more on only this in the AM. >> >> Ron >> >> >>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 4:32 PM, Greg Rau <gh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>> Greatest Uncertainty In Climate Change Models Is Diminishing Cloudiness - >>> Russ George >>> >>> Greatest Uncertainty In Climate Change Models Is Diminishing Cloudiness - >>> R... >>> Restoring ocean pastures and their cooling clouds in 10% of the area >>> available would offset the warming from a d... >>> >>> >>> "Climate scientists propose in a new paper published in the widely read >>> open source science journal Earth’s Future that by restoring cloudiness to >>> selected areas of distant oceans a planetary cooling effect sufficient to >>> offset a doubling of greenhouse gas emissions could be achieved with as >>> little as a 10% increase in cloudiness over pristine open ocean pasture >>> regions. >>> The authors note that climate model simulations indicate that regions of >>> extensive marine low clouds account for a large portion of the global >>> aerosol driven global cooling. 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