[geo] Re: [prag] Re: Ocean heat is off the charts—here's what that means for humans and ecosystems around the world

Mon, 26 Jun 2023 19:58:37 -0700

Hi Maiken,

If you study the websites of Scientists Rebellion (SR) and Extinction Rebellion (XR) you will see a vague and almost incoherent analysis of the dilemma that we are in and the necessary actions to get out of it. 

SR speaks of the need for decarbonization at the required scale, whatever in the world that means. It also demands degrowth with the rich to pay for degrowth, however in the world that would work.  

Extinction Rebellion has a number of a long-standing demands articulated as far back as 2018. They call for governments to tell the truth, for citizen assemblies to be created by governments to essentially take over the decision making process and for net zero by 2025.  

XR  is essentially violating its own first demand to tell the truth in calling for decarbonization in two years. (when they first called for decarbonization in 2018 at least there was the longshot possibility of getting close to zero in less than a decade with emergency scale action.) 

There is of course no conceivable pathway to decarbonize in two years without total planetary economic collapse, poverty, chaos, and death.  Yet they have yet to modify or drop the demand. 

Neither SR or XR appear to even demand carbon removal, much less direct Climate cooling as Robert indicated. 

I have had conversations with numerous people in XR in the US and the UK over the years (I marched in two of the major XR actions in London several years ago) to no avail. 

Paradoxically while they highlight the term rebellion in their very titles, they refuse to date to accept any climate remedies except the mainstream ERA model - emission reductions alone. Thus they refuse to challenge the increasingly flawed paradigm that governs planetary climate action. What kind of rebellion is that?

 I expect to have an opportunity to speak with one of XR’s most prominent public leaders who expressed interest in cooling before too long, and I’m keeping my fingers crossed that there will finally be greater receptivity to a broad based climate triad approach. 

I’m not familiar with Last Generation. 

Hope this helps. 

Herb



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On Jun 26, 2023, at 10:07 PM, [email protected] wrote:



Hello Maiken

 

I had not heard of Last Generation but we have equivalent groups in Australia. I found a report on German government crackdown on last generation disruptive protests at https://earth.org/last-generation-activists/.

 

Such groups mean well but lack coherent strategic vision of how to prevent dangerous warming and are often unwilling to engage in courteous dialogue.  They wrongly imagine that shutting down fossil fuel industries as fast as possible is the best way to respond to climate change.  This is a popular line on the political left, but it is a futile and incorrect ideology that sets back efforts to improve public understanding of climate science.

 

Cutting emissions is marginal to the immediate climate situation, given the high risk of tipping points which can only be mitigated by albedo enhancement.  As well, the inertia in the fossil fuel economy means it has the power and interest to ignore climate science.  Improving the GHG situation is only possible in the long term.  Trying to accelerate emission reduction creates division and antagonism while achieving nothing for actual cooling. By contrast, albedo enhancement can support commercial and community interests in political and economic and environmental stability and security.

 

It is important not to subordinate climate policy to the old fashioned socialist idea that building a popular front of progressive forces is the only way to achieve change.  Climate stability and repair can be achieved through negotiation across partisan lines to gain broad support for net zero heating as a policy goal.  That will require intergovernmental support for sound governance of measures to increase planetary albedo.

 

Regards

 

Robert Tulip

 

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Subject: [prag] Re: [geo] Re: Ocean heat is off the charts—here's what that means for humans and ecosystems around the world

 

Hi dear all,

may I ask you... since all the writing and talking didn't help and we are now close to the irreversible tipping points we know about for years...what's your opinion about Science Rebellion and the Last Generation? Do you consider to also become part of this movement (as I am)?

It's horrible that we are so far into this catastrophe that even I blockade streets.

Best,

Maiken

Ron Baiman <[email protected]> hat am 26.06.2023 18:28 CEST geschrieben:

 

 

Thank you Renaud!  I hope you don't mind my distributing this more broadly as I think it's quite important!

Best,

Ron

 

On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 10:27 AM Renaud de RICHTER <[email protected]> wrote:

 

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