Hi all, I am trying with this email to add my thoughts to the discussion, even though my goal here is to try and do something instead of just waiting for some actions. I hope that the members of the project share with me the will to build a more solid geotools for the future and that none of us is just trying to make it fail for selfish reasons.
Here is is what I think: 1> I agree with Adrian, simply adding new people does not really look like a solution to me to tackle the current problems 2> I admit I have not read the Developers Guide in a long time and I suspect I am not the only one. 3> I agree with Adrian, we have all more or less failed with respect to our role of leaders 4> Aime got the right point, right now GeoTools is being pulled in various directions by all involved teams (udig, geoserver, geosolutions and geomatys) for their own reasons, and none of the above teams, except for jody probably, is looking at the project as a whole (whatever reason we might have does not count, at least if you want to be part of the PMC). Acuster is wrong when he says that the problems we are having are related to a non functional board, the problems we have are related to the fact that we are having very difficult views over geotools and each one of us is minding only its own business and goals. 5> I agree with Aime, simply dismissing the PMC does not help. To me it really seems like giving up and wait for someone to do a final fork and say goodbye to the others. 6> I agree with Aime about the need for a good leader which means good coder + good communications skils + ( I am adding this) + time and will to steer the community. So far the only one that has been able to come closer to this description (at least since when I was involved) is Jody, but now things have changed for him as well ( happy to be wrong though). What I would suggest: 1> We do not step down as a whole, but each one should *really* decide if he wants to take part of the game. We may also propose new names for the PMC as part of this. 2> We need to define more clearly the role of PMC members and we also need to define ways to remove members based on consensus with the others PMC and/or specific responsibilities 3> We need to cut the dead parts of geotools and stop carrying around all this weight of old unsupported modules, even if we end up with 4 modules. This would probably motivate people to more participation if they want their stuff to be part of the project 4> We need to decide what to do with the geotidy effort since all we have done so far has been sitting and waiting looking at emails saying " geotidy will do this" or "geotidy will do that". Don't get me wrong on this, I am not trying to start a new fight (and I won't start it even if anyone will try real hard) but as I said once: - This is essentially a unilateral effort started with little or no communication - I have not seen a real plan for the work to do - I have not seen a discussion about ways to collaborate with the effort therefore it is quite hard to look at this effort and think that it has been started thinking about the future of geotools as a community project rather than as a company-owned project. Hoping to make things move, even just a little bit. Simone. ------------------------------------------------------- Ing. Simone Giannecchini GeoSolutions S.A.S. Owner - Software Engineer Via Carignoni 51 55041 Camaiore (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584983027 fax: +39 0584983027 mob: +39 333 8128928 http://www.geo-solutions.it http://simboss.blogspot.com/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/simonegiannecchini ------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Adrian Custer <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey, > > As usual you three have wise thoughts, so I'll keep hoping that somehow > this will all work out for the best and keep my more radical notions to > myself. > > > --adrian > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This SF.net email is sponsored by: > SourcForge Community > SourceForge wants to tell your story. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword > _______________________________________________ > Geotools-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geotools-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H _______________________________________________ Geotools-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geotools-devel
