Thank you to everyone who replied, especially those of you who suggested
relevant reading!  --Debra



*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Stacy
VanDeveer
*Sent:* Thursday, April 22, 2021 2:47 PM
*To:* [email protected]; [email protected]
*Cc:* Rafael Friedmann <[email protected]>; [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [gep-ed] RE: Opinion: We Don't Need More Life-Crushing Steel
and Concrete



Colleagues,

The op-ed has a lovely list of ideas that might be better incorporated into
policy action. The problem, for me, is the all-too-catchy and
not-very-useful framing in which that list is wrapped:

   1. First, it seems clear to me that we do in fact need quite a lot of
   concrete and steel to repair and replace some of the vast (often concrete &
   steel) physical infrastructure societies have now and still need -- the
   op-ed does not explain why/how that is not still the reality (despite the
   title),
   2. Second, Biden and the members of the US congress (like every other
   democratic government one can name) are not elected by ecosystems. So for
   me, it seems unlikely that juxtaposing the claim that ecosystems should be
   first priority over “knee-jerk” infrastructure ideas is either very helpful
   for improving policymaking and policy proposals, or based on a fair reading
   of what is actually in the Biden infrastructure proposal.



Doubtless any existing policy and investment proposal in the real world
(with existing politics and institutions) can be made much, much more
sustainable or climate friendly in multiple ways, but I’m wondering what
the standards are here to which real policy proposals are being held.

The Biden administration does in fact view the infrastructure proposal and
the climate proposal as integrated enough to allow for the climate proposal
to be achieved and infrastructures to be improved. They may well be wrong,
but I’d rely on empirical evidence and outcomes to make that determination,
rather than disappointment that some of my favorite sustainability ideas
did not yet get a paragraph in the bill.





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*From: *Gep-Ed <[email protected]> on behalf of "[email protected]"
<[email protected]>
*Reply-To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
*Date: *Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 1:51 PM
*To: *Ronnie Lipschutz <[email protected]>
*Cc: *Rafael Friedmann <[email protected]>, Gep-Ed <
[email protected]>
*Subject: *Re: [gep-ed] RE: Opinion: We Don't Need More Life-Crushing Steel
and Concrete



*EXTERNAL SENDER*

Hi All,



There is a rich international literature in STS about infrastructure and
material supply chains. I've done some work on this looking at precious
metals. Happy to share that with anyone interested.



I also replied to Debra directly that we are working on a study now on the
re-imagining of the upper Mississippi River's infrastructure in the face of
an altered climate.



Best,

Roopali



On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 12:47 PM 'Ronnie Lipschutz' via gep-ed <
[email protected]> wrote:

All,



This is a persisting problem in all of these analyses and plans:  if
something is technologically feasible, the logistics don't matter.  For
example, there is great enthusiasm for EVs in California, but no one seems
to consider the sheer volume of things that have to happen, over what time
frame and in what order.  The collapse of commodity chains during the
pandemic and their restoration now (there are ships in SF Bay waiting to
unload because port capacity is set by normal times) illustrates that the
kind of surge capacity that is required--and which will require lots of
materials, too--is not in place and who is going to build it?



I have not seen any academic work about this, but the military probably has
done work in terms of rapid deployments (not quite the kind of
infrastructures, both material and institutional, that will be needed).



Best,

Ronnie



On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 10:32 AM Rafael Friedmann <[email protected]>
wrote:

I heard a talk by the head of sustainability at Autocad about 2 years ago
at a HAAS/UC Berkeley event on the future of work. She showed the daunting
amounts of materials that would be used to further urbanize our growing
human population by 2050.  Without rethinking very deeply what Earth can
provide sustainably, we will not be able to build a future that offers
wellbeing to most of humanity. Your point of the need to align the lovely
calls of Biden’s summit (and others) with how our economic systems are set
up and the infrastructure we continue to build (vested interests means we
always have too much inertia!), is right on the ball.



I suspect that the reality check will need to partly come from Academia –
with quick analyses (we don’t have another 20 years to spare, actually,
can’t even spare one more!), coupled with social movements and the threat
of product boycotts as well as financial pressure—to get the actions needed
by both public and private sectors (as well as our own).



Rafael



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Dear colleagues,



Biden announced new commitments on climate action today, and it reminded me
that I received not a single response to my query below about the Biden
infrastructure plan.  I wonder why.  If the climate plans and the
infrastructure plans are not integrated, how can the climate plans
succeed?  Is no one conducting research on the ideal infrastructure for a
climate-altered planet?



All the best,

Debra



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*Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:36 AM
*To:* '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Opinion: We Don’t Need More Life-Crushing Steel and Concrete



Dear colleagues,



Paul Greenberg and Carl Safina have a compelling op-ed in the NYT, “We
Don’t Need More Life-Crushing Steel and Concrete: The long-term needs of
ecosystems should come before our knee-jerk expectations about
infrastructure
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Is there any scholarship related to this topic?  Presumably, those focused
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potential harms of an infrastructure program that ignores climate issues,
but is there a holistic approach, with the infrastructure people talking to
the climate-concerned?  And is the conversation informed by good research
on what infrastructure *should* be rebuilt to maximize mitigation and
adaptation efforts?  Does such research exist?  Suggestions for specific
publications would be most welcome.



All the best,

Debra



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