It would suggest, to me, to use (the threat of) SRM to push <http://www.gwagner.com/greenMH> as hard as possible on the decarbonization front -- and yes, to do the SRM research because, in the end, it's about trading off <https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm8462> risks, uncertainties, and worse.
Then again, I would <http://www.gwagner.com/GtG> say that. (And I realize now you'll tell me that the letter explicitly permits "legitimate" research. Sure. Of course, it also directly attempts to censor <https://twitter.com/GernotWagner/status/1483904926199779340?s=20> the IPCC.) Cheers, G *Gernot Wagner, **New York University (on leave at Columbia Business School, spring 2022)* gwagner.com *Keep in touch: *gwagner.com/#newsletter On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 7:40 PM Wil Burns <w...@feronia.org> wrote: > Yes, there certainly is. I am just not sure why it’s seemingly used as a > “justification” for SRM. It would seem to counsel just the opposite. wil > > > > > > > > > > > > *WIL BURNS* > > Visiting Professor > > Environmental Policy & Culture Program > > Northwestern University > > > > Email: william.bu...@northwestern.edu <william.bu...@northwetsern.edu> > > Mobile: 312.550.3079 > > > > 1808 Chicago Ave. #110 > > Evanston, IL 60208 > > https://epc.northwestern.edu/people/staff-new/wil-burns.html > > > > > > *Want to schedule a call? Click on one of the following scheduling links: * > > - 60-minute phone call: https://calendly.com/wil_burns/phone-call > - 30-minute phone call: https://calendly.com/wil_burns/30min > - 15-minute phone call: https://calendly.com/wil_burns/15min > - 60-minute Zoom session: https://calendly.com/wil_burns/60min > - 30-minute Zoom session: > https://calendly.com/wil_burns/30-minute-zoom-call > - 15-minute Zoom session: > https://calendly.com/wil_burns/15-minute-zoom-call > > > > *I acknowledge and honor the Ojibwe, Potawatomi, and Odawa, as well as the > Menominee, Miami and Ho-Chunk nations, upon whose traditional homelands > Northwestern University stands, and the Indigenous people who remain on > this land today**.* > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Gernot Wagner <ger...@gwagner.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2022 6:37 PM > *To:* Wil Burns <w...@feronia.org> > *Cc:* Daniel Bodansky <danbodan...@gmail.com>; Prakash Kashwan < > prakash.kash...@uconn.edu>; GEPED <gep-ed@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: [gep-ed] calling for a Solar Geoengineering Non-use > Agreement > > > > There's a rather long history of just this, no? gwagner.com/greenMH > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2022, 19:24 Wil Burns <w...@feronia.org> wrote: > > I’ve always been fascinated with this frequent response to challenges of > SRM. The natural corollary seems to be that we’ve ravaged the planet with > uncontrolled technological interventions that affect the global commons, > yet the solution for some is more uncontrolled technological interventions > that affect the global commons. wil > > > > > > > > > > > > *WIL BURNS* > > Visiting Professor > > Environmental Policy & Culture Program > > Northwestern University > > > > Email: william.bu...@northwestern.edu <william.bu...@northwetsern.edu> > > Mobile: 312.550.3079 > > > > 1808 Chicago Ave. #110 > > Evanston, IL 60208 > > https://epc.northwestern.edu/people/staff-new/wil-burns.html > > > > *Want to schedule a call? Click on one of the following scheduling links: * > > - 60-minute phone call: https://calendly.com/wil_burns/phone-call > - 30-minute phone call: https://calendly.com/wil_burns/30min > - 15-minute phone call: https://calendly.com/wil_burns/15min > - 60-minute Zoom session: https://calendly.com/wil_burns/60min > - 30-minute Zoom session: > https://calendly.com/wil_burns/30-minute-zoom-call > - 15-minute Zoom session: > https://calendly.com/wil_burns/15-minute-zoom-call > > > > *I acknowledge and honor the Ojibwe, Potawatomi, and Odawa, as well as the > Menominee, Miami and Ho-Chunk nations, upon whose traditional homelands > Northwestern University stands, and the Indigenous people who remain on > this land today**.* > > > > > > > > > > *From:* gep-ed@googlegroups.com <gep-ed@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Dan > Bodansky > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2022 6:18 PM > *To:* prakash.kash...@uconn.edu > *Cc:* GEPED <gep-ed@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: [gep-ed] calling for a Solar Geoengineering Non-use > Agreement > > > > Prakash, > > > > Aren’t we already in the midst of a huge gamble with the only planet we > call home? > > > > Dan > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2022, at 7:05 AM, prakash.kashwan <prakash.kash...@uconn.edu> > wrote: > > > > > > To add to Stacy's response - the question of "legitimacy" should be put in > the hands of legitimately democratic forms of global governance. Voluntary > codes of conduct can be tools for self-enlightenment but not for > responsible and accountable governance of such important matters as hacking > the planet. > > And, Gernot, I hope the conclusion of your book is, let's not gamble with > the only planet we -- billions of human and non-human inhabitants -- call > home. > > -Prakash > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prakash Kashwan, Ph.D. (Google Scholar > <https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=SRC3hyMAAAAJ&hl>) (Public > Dropbox > <https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0khzymm4o1pyh9s/AACctTBrEI7xYeozEgJIGaeOa?dl=0> > ) > Associate Professor of Political Science, University of Connecticut > Co-Director, Research Program on Economic and Social Rights, Human Rights > Institute > > Editor, Environmental Politics > Vice Chair/Program Chair, Environmental Studies Section, International > Studies Association (ISA) > > University of Connecticut > 365 Fairfield Way, Storrs, CT 06269 > Phone: 860-486-7951 > https://kashwan.net/ > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkashwan.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc0092c59d3e34b8afb9b08d91cdda4dc%7C17f1a87e2a254eaab9df9d439034b080%7C0%7C0%7C637572560555299765%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=djJTEr7IBm4jJwhuPlyd5kGwabw2nIGeZFtQ64o%2F4tw%3D&reserved=0> > > On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:14:44 PM UTC-5 gernot wrote: > > I guess that's the question: Is it a "moratorium on research"? > > > > The short statement > <https://www.solargeoeng.org/non-use-agreement/open-letter/> clearly > states none of this should restrict "legitimate" climate research. > Meanwhile, neither the short statement nor the "extended argument > <https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wcc.754>" defines > "legitimate." The longer statement clearly states that research leading to > "development" is impermissible. > > > > So yes, back to square one: I realize SCoPEx is out (per the "extended > argument"), but is it OK to fly an ER2 into the Tonga volcano plume and > study chemical processes? > > > > *Gernot Wagner, New York University (on leave at Columbia Business School, > spring 2022)* > gwagner.com > *Keep in touch: *gwagner.com/#newsletter > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 2:06 PM Wil Burns <w...@feronia.org> wrote: > > It’s a good point, Gernot. Perhaps the call could be re-tooled to clarify > that this is a call for a moratorium on research also? I think Biermann, > et. al. make a powerful case for doing so in Sec. 1 of the WIRES article. > As someone who has worked in this field for over 13 years, I applaud this > initiative. wil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *WIL BURNS* > > Visiting Professor > > Environmental Policy & Culture Program > > Northwestern University > > > > Email: william...@northwestern.edu > > Mobile: 312.550.3079 <(312)%20550-3079> > > > > 1808 Chicago Ave. #110 > > Evanston, IL 60208 > > https://epc.northwestern.edu/people/staff-new/wil-burns.html > > > > *Want to schedule a call? Click on one of the following scheduling links: * > > - 60-minute phone call: https://calendly.com/wil_burns/phone-call > - 30-minute phone call: https://calendly.com/wil_burns/30min > - 15-minute phone call: https://calendly.com/wil_burns/15min > - 60-minute Zoom session: https://calendly.com/wil_burns/60min > - 30-minute Zoom session: > https://calendly.com/wil_burns/30-minute-zoom-call > - 15-minute Zoom session: > https://calendly.com/wil_burns/15-minute-zoom-call > > > > *I acknowledge and honor the Ojibwe, Potawatomi, and Odawa, as well as the > Menominee, Miami and Ho-Chunk nations, upon whose traditional homelands > Northwestern University stands, and the Indigenous people who remain on > this land today**.* > > > > > > > > > > *From:* gep...@googlegroups.com <gep...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of > *Gernot > Wagner > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 12:48 PM > *To:* stacy.v...@umb.edu > *Cc:* Gep-Ed <gep...@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: [gep-ed] calling for a Solar Geoengineering Non-use > Agreement > > > > Thanks, Stacy. > > > > Not trying to start an email BBQ on this list, but let me just say that > the words used here are awfully close to those used by those most > signatories would describe as solar geoengineering (research) "boosters." > The subtle but all-important difference: e.g. Ted Parson and David Keith, > in 2013, called for > <https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.1232527> a "non-use" > agreement (moratorium) on deployment, while specifically allowing for > research. > > > > And for research, of course, the all important distinction is whether it's > e.g. permissible to study the implications of the Tonga volcano or whether > even (small) outdoor experiments are permissible. Here e.g. from my > just-published book, *Geoengineering: the Gamble* > <http://www.gwagner.com/GtG> (Polity, 2021): > > > > > > In contrast, this "Non-Use Agreement" here, of course, also includes > (most) research. > > > > All the best, > > Gernot > > > > *Gernot Wagner, New York University (on leave at Columbia Business School, > spring 2022)* > gwagner.com > *Keep in touch: *gwagner.com/#newsletter > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:09 PM Stacy VanDeveer <stacy.v...@umb.edu> > wrote: > > Dear GEP colleagues, > > > > With more than 60 senior climate scientists and governance scholars from > around the world, we have launched a global initiative > <https://www.solargeoeng.org/> today calling for an International Non-use > Agreement on Solar Geoengineering. > > We argue that planetary-scale solar geoengineering deployment cannot be > governed fairly and poses unacceptable risks if included as a future > climate policy option. We are also deeply concerned about the risks that > solar geoengineering development may pose to climate policy and > decarbonization commitments. > > > > We are now calling on fellow academics, civil society organizations and > concerned individuals to sign an open letter > <https://www.solargeoeng.org/non-use-agreement/open-letter/> to > governments, the United Nations and other actors to stop development and > the potential use of planetary scale geoengineering technologies. > > > > This initiative draws on an article published in WIREs Climate Change > <https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wcc.754>, which is > co-authored by the 16 initiators of this initiative. Co-authors include, > besides myself, prof. Frank Biermann (Utrecht University, Dr. Jeroen Oomen, > (Utrecht University), prof. Aarti Gupta (Wageningen University), prof. > Saleem H. Ali (University of Delaware), prof. Ken Conca (American > University), prof. Maarten A. Hajer (Utrecht University), prof. Prakash > Kashwan (University of Connecticut), prof. Louis J. Kotzé (North-West > University), prof. Melissa Leach (Institute of Development Studies), > prof. Dirk Messner (German Environment Agency), prof. Chukwumerije Okereke > (Alex-Ekwueme Federal University Ndufu-Alike), prof. Åsa Persson > (Stockholm Environment Institute), prof. Janez Potocnik (International > Resource Panel, United Nations Environment Programme), prof. David > Schlosberg (Sydney Environment Institute), prof. Michelle Scobie (The > University of the West Indies), prof. Stacy D. VanDeveer (University of > Massachusetts Boston). > > > > First signatories include prof. Mike Hulme, prof. Sheila Jasanoff, prof. > Stefan Rahmstorf, prof. Jennie C. Stephens, prof. Arturo Escobar, prof. > Hiroshi Ohta, prof. Patricia Kameri-Mbote, prof. Wolfgang Kramer, prof. > Raymond Pierrehumbert, prof. Karen O’Brien, as well as the novelist Dr. > Amitav Ghosh. > > > > We would be very grateful if you would support us by circulating this > initiative widely within your networks. Additionally, we hope you will > consider signing up as a Signatory on our website www.solargeoeng.org, > and to encourage your academic colleagues to do the same. > > > > Finally, please also sign and share with your civil society networks, > friends and family and all concerned citizens the change.org petition > calling for an International Non-Use Agreement for Solar Geoengineering > here: https://www.change.org/SolarGeoengNon-Use > > > > If you wish to contribute your time, please contact Carol Bardi ( > c.costa...@uu.nl) > > > > You can follow the progress on this on initiative on twitter: @solargeoeng > > > > Thank you! > > --Stacy > > > > -- > > Stacy D. 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