*Καλησπέρα! *Thank you, my dear friend, for a superb answer, as ever.

It's funny how things change over time. When I was at Uni in 1967-70 studying for my Electronic Engineering degree, I was into details (understanding exactly what is happening) - now, with a few exceptions, I've become a "black box" man, meaning I'm not usually that interested as to the detail of what goes on inside the "black box" (whatever that may be), more how to use it. A sign of the ever increasingly complex world we live in, I guess. There's a limit the amount of "black box" work my mind can take (learning Linux, photo and video editing, learning Tagalog are the new projects).

Coming back on topic, it's a real pity about the present hassles with the HLS route, about half my downloads are producing errors here meaning a tedious subsequent slower download using Flash to download "glitch-free" files. I don't really want to get into HVF if I can help it!

The thought behind my original question was whether we had a route to complain to the BBC about the glitches in HLS, i.e. if there is a problem using BBC iPlayer then we could legitimately complain. Looks like we don't, LOL. :-(

Best wishes

Alan

On 09/08/16 11:57, Vangelis forthnet wrote:
On Tue Aug 9 10:50:50 BST 2016, Alan Milewczyk wrote:
I rarely use BBC iPlayer but do we know if that has the sync problems we've been experiencing on GiP downloads?

Not applicable, am afraid - BBC iPlayer on a desktop browser uses by default AdobeHDS streams, if Flash installed; if flash is absent and permitting the OS/browser employed, it may fall to MPEG-DASH streams (require HTML5 support in the browser and native h.264/aac decoders in the browser/OS).

The hlshd tvmode that GiP uses and has been at fault lately is originally destined for IPTV sets (Smart TVs/BluRays etc.), but it's not the only option for those - hvf streams are available, too. Lower quality hls modes are targetting ipads and the like, again not the unique option on those - so from a practical standpoint it could be difficult to do your proposed check.

the sync problems

As you can read at:
https://squarepenguin.co.uk/forums/thread-973-post-4415.html#pid4415

those are just another manifestation of the initial problem, which is that the original AppleHLS stream has missing segments - as mentioned by dinky, --raw will get you MPEG-TS files where A/V is in sync, but with portions of the programme missing...

Regards, Vangelis.

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