Julian, Well, if you want GHC to become a political vehicle for an ideology, we should spell *that* out instead of trying to do so by proxy via some "LLM Policy", which is mostly void of your concerns anyway.
And this policy is now, not anymore about LLM declaration, high quality contribution, ownership, respectful collaboration, but about protection of marginalized people due to economic situation, and political beliefs? You also fear that contributors are outrun by other contributors? Best, Moritz On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 at 15:24, Julian Ospald via ghc-devs < [email protected]> wrote: > > You are fine with the policy because it reinforces your fundamental > belief (I assume) that LLMs are bad, horrible, corrupting, and society > damaging tech-bro inventions. > > No, my beliefs are more nuanced than that. And the policy does not > reinforce my beliefs. It is mostly void of all my concerns I have about > LLMs, like the erosion of taste, values and motivation. > > > I am not, because it tells people that they are less welcome if they use > LLMs in any form ("we strongly prefer"), I object especially to *P3*'s > wording in the document. > > Yes, I absolutely think we should prefer human written code. Otherwise I > do not see how we would be able to protect people who: > > - cannot use LLMs due to their political beliefs (e.g. the negative > effects on the environment) > - cannot use LLMs due to their economic situation (frontier models are not > free) > - cannot use LLMs effectively due to their personal characteristics > (although I believe LLMs have devastating effects on most people there's > certainly groups that are more vulnerable and have to naturally avoid them > or who simply do not derive joy from using them) > > All these people now need to worry they will be left behind by the > community, because they can't keep up with those "10x" engineers who are > burning tokens. > > A "neutral" stance would in fact not be neutral... and it would cement > that the primary thing we care about is patches and productivity (just as > Linus declared on the linux ML). If that is the view of the project, then > it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth that I probably won't be able to get > rid of. > _______________________________________________ > ghc-devs mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >
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