Excellent! Lets hope the right folks are paying attention. Seems like a
wonderful idea. It's both more functional *and* more attractive. I've always
felt the stock Gimp interface was a little too weird/clumsy in it's layout.
Bowie J. Poag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Willie Sippel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Alan Horkan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining
> I already explained most of my suggestions to Joao.
> I did another design, available at
> On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 18:17, Alan Horkan wrote:
> > On 1 Sep 2003, Willie Sippel wrote:
> > > Date: 01 Sep 2003 20:09:23 +0200
> > > From: Willie Sippel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining
> > >
> > > Hi there.
> > >
> > > First post, so please go easy on me ;-).
> > >
> > > Also Gimp always gets better and more powerful, the interface still
> > > needs a lot of work. It almost looks like yet another Photoshop
> > I really dont think GIMP looks at all like Photoshop although ...
> > > and even if Photoshop is some sort of de facto standard, it's
> > > is pretty clumsy and inefficient.
> > ... I agree Photoshop is far from perfect either.
> > > 1.) Remove unnecessary buttons from the main toolbox to reduce
> > > Smudge, Dodge or Burn, Blur or Sharpen, Erase, Zoom, Color Picker;
> > I also would love for the toolbox to be customizable
> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105764
> I don't want a customizable toolbar, but some of these tools are already
> modes for paint tools, and the other mentioned tools should be the same.
> > but comletely removing the buttons as you suggest without anyway to add
> > them back will likely displease many different people depending on which
> > features they happen to use, personally I would miss the Zoom button.
> > It might also be worth considering better to do like Photoshop and
> > Sodipodi and have button submenus, that when you click and hold you get
> > more of the related items.
> > Screenshot of Adobe Photoshop toolbox submenu
> > shorter link to Photoshop screenshot
> > http://tardis.linux.ie/1653/matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie
> I know Photoshop very well, but I don't like the submenus, as they are
> wasting time (click, hold, wait, look for the right option, move mouse,
> release...) - this is unnecessary. Look at my new design for another way
> to deal with that issue, might be more useful than a 'click and hold'
> menu, and also better than my first suggestion.
> > > 5.) The Color Picker should become available when you click the
> > > foreground or background color in the main toolbar, and should set the
> > > respective color (set foreground when you clicked the foreground
> > This is already the case in GIMP 1.2, just double click on it.
> OK. What about the right or middle mouse button? Check my new mock-up,
> I've changed this.
> > > 6.) Add 'Alpha' to the Color Picker;
> > Consider carefully if the more user friendly term "Transparency" should
> > used.
> 'A rose, by any other name...' - granted, but well - it IS alpha. And
> Gimp is not Tuxpaint. But I thought about this, and this one should
> remain as it is today, 'opacity' on the tool settings. Changing the
> current color sliders from HSVRGB to HSVRGBA would be sufficient.
> > > 8.) Remove the giant FG/ BG preview at the bottom of the 'Colors'
> > > window to make the interface more compact;
> > There is an option to hide the brush+pattern preview, an additional
> > to hide the colours widget might be an acceptable idea (but there is
> > always the matter of getting some one to write the needed code).
> > > 9.) The remaining buttons on the main toolbox should be reordered:
> > > Brush | Pen | Airbrush | Ink | Text | Fill | Select | Transform |
> > > paths | Measure tools
> > care to explain your reasoning for this reordering?
> I changed this one, but I think it's faster if the most common used tool
> is also the first button on the list. I think 'ordered by importance' is
> better as ordered random, like it seems today...
> > > 15.) Remove the brush and pattern preview from the main toolbox,
> > > it clutters the toolbox - it's redundant, anyway, because there is
> > > allready a preview in the tool settings window. It might be even
> > > to also remove the pattern preview from the tool settings and show the
> > > selected pattern on the color preview of the main toolbox;
> > There is already a preference to remove it.
> > Toolbox, File, Preferences...
> > Interface,
> >  Display Brush, Pattern and Gradient Indicators.
> I must have missed this one.
> > > 16.) The color preview on the main toolbox should be redesigned:
> > some paint programs have differnt designs, some even allow you to choose
> > which design you like best but I dont understand what is wrong with the
> > current design, please explain why your suggestion is better.
> Check my mock-up, I explained it there. Making the preview bigger and
> not overlapping would make the preview on the color dialog obsolete.
> > > Some other small suggestions, as well as many of the described
> > > suggestions are on the mock-up,
> > > http://www.zeitgeistmedia.net/gimp/gimpstreamline.png
> > >
> > >
> > > Suggestions and comments are very welcome and appreciated.
> > It is great that you took the time to thnk about how to improve the GIMP
> > but keep in mind that you suggested a whole lot of changes that could
> > a long time to get done iff there is a developer interested in making
> > changes you suggest.
> I would be glad if I could do this myself, but my C is lousy... ;-)
> Well, I know that. I would really like to use the Gimp for production
> use, but it's still not there - well, it is, technically, but the
> workflow is not sufficient. I talked to a lot of professional designers,
> and most of them have issues with the interface only, although most of
> them admit that Gimp is about as powerful for designers as Photoshop, or
> even more powerful... It's sad to see that Gimp is considered unsuitable
> for professional work because of the interface and the poor workflow.
> > Sincerely
> > Alan Horkan
> > http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/
> Thank you for your comments.
> Willie Sippel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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