>> reserving judgment even on that yes/no question. I'd like to see the
>> arithmetic either way. In the end this is not a binary question. The
>> sustainable mean impact is a quantitative question and an important
>> one. It should be answered in a quantitative way.
>
> Well, if you take "ethical" as synonymous with sustainable, and use your
> previous definition of sustainable, then the answer is clearly no for
> the present and foreseeable future. I don't think any detailed sums are
> required for that. If you want to talk about ultimate physical and
> biological limitations then the answer will be yes if you are prepared
> to assume enough miraculous technology. I suppose we can talk about how
> much miraculous technology would be required...it seems to me that the
> most immediate issue is energy, and this is also pretty fundamental to
> other aspects of the problem.
>
> James

Perhaps a review of the 170-point Plan of Implementation of the World Summit 
on Sustainable Development is in order 
(http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/publications/publications.htm ). Briefly, the 
future rests on urbanization, sanitation, electrification, education, and 
women's emancipation.

Michael's quantitative arithmetic is entirely absent - for this he is 
referred back to Joel Cohen's _How Many People Can the Earth Support?_. 
Ingredients of the now ubiquitous "ecological footprint" are to be found in 
Wackernagel and Rees, 1996 _Our Ecological Footprint_, or for an updated 
review by people who take this seriously, see the evaluation report 
available at http://ec.europa.eu/environment/natres/studies.htm .  Caution, 
dubious assumptions abound: "The Carbon Footprint is the amount of forest 
land required to capture those carbon dioxide emissions not sequestered by 
the world's oceans."

-dl 


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