On Jan 3, 8:52 am, Igor Samoylenko <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hansen mentioned the Venus syndrome in his Bjerknes Lecture he gave at AGU in 
> December 2008:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2008/AGUBjerknes_20081217.pdf
>
> What he said is this:
...

In the chapter 10 'Venus syndrome' of his book 'Storms of my
Grandchildren',
Hansen says similar thing.
But, as far as I understand, he does not properly formulate here
what is the condition for runaway greenhouse effect, or 'Venus
syndrome'.
What he shows with good scientific support is that the climate system
is
more sensitive to radiative forcing (either solar constant or CO2)
at both warmer and colder extremes, due to greenhouse effect of water
vapor
and ice-albedo feedback, respectively.  I think this is reasonable.
Then he suggests that even CO2 level of 1000 ppm may be dangerous
(this corresponds to "10-20 W/m2" in the Bjerknes lecture, I guess),
perhaps first triggering such an event like Paleocene-Eocene Thermal
Maximum
and then Venus-like runaway greenhouse (evaporation of the ocean).
But he does not tell how likely will it be, or how confident he is.
(This is a complaint a la Stephen Schneider. I know it is a tall
order.)
As far as I understand, the value 1000 ppm is just an estimate of the
maximum
level of CO2 in the atmosphere in the Cenozoic era except PETM.
I could not grasp why he considers this level is near the runaway
situation.

So I am tempted not to use Hansen's book as a reliable source about
climate
change (though it is still a very interesting book).

*****
By the way, some attempts to simulate runaway greenhouse condition in
GCM
are here (information for experts of climate dynamics):

Ishiwatari M., Takehiro S.-I., Nakajima K., Hayash Y.-Y., 2002:
  A numerical study on appearance of the runaway greenhouse state of a
  three-dimensional gray atmosphere.
  Journal of Atmospheric Sciences, 59, 3223-3238.
  DOI:10.1175/1520-0469(2002)059<3223:ANSOAO>2.0.CO;2

Ishiwatari M., Nakajima K., Takehiro S., Hayashi Y.-Y., 2007:
  Dependence of climate states of gray atmosphere on solar constant:
  From the runaway greenhouse to the snowball states.
  J. Geophys. Res., 112, D13120, doi:10.1029/2006JD007368.
  http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2007/2006JD007368.shtml
  (subscription needed for full text)

Note that their formulation of radiative processes was crude.
Probably they wanted to focus in dynamics.

Ko-1 M. (Kooiti Masuda)

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